Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isaac Newton Kinity


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. No prejudice to recreation if sources are found. Shimeru (talk) 05:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Isaac Newton Kinity

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On the heels of Articles for deletion/Diaspora Movement of Kenya & Articles for deletion/Robinson Gichuhi, this is the bio of a non-notable individual. The article lists a series of public service jobs and I haven't found any evidence that Mr. Kinity has achieved any noteworthy coverage for claims as diverse as "elected Secretary of the Undergraduate Student Government Association" or "Mr. Kinity also wrote a letter to the United States Congress [and others]...His contribution was acknowledged and had an impact on the debate and hence halted the privatization of Social Security" or the various alleged threats on his life. The bio reads more like self-promotion.&mdash; Scientizzle 19:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Noted
This article and other articles were meant to detail certain bio or historical events and not intended to be self-promoting articles. We are re-writing them for re-submission. Kenyaverification (talk) 19:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Whatever the article is "meant" to do, it is about as unambiguously promotional as any I have seen for a long time. The whole thing is designed to promote a person and a point of view. I am not sure how anyone can write such things as the following and not see that they are promotional:
 * "...a relentless human rights activist who will stop at nothing while demanding justice"
 * "Their mission to threaten Mr. Kinity to submission and layoff of the demands on the government were unsuccessful. Mr. Kinity, as usual, did not let up."
 * "Advocacy by sincerely patriotic persons is seen as the key since they (patriotic) Kenyans, are apt to safeguard the country's interest. At the end of this debate, active participation becomes the key word."
 * and so on and so on... The whole article is written in this spirit. However, before Kenyaverification (and whoever else is included in "we") spends time on rewriting for resubmission I suggest reading WP:NOTE and WP:BIO, because no matter how much an article is rewritten it is likely to be deleted if the subject does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria.
 * At present the sourcing of the article is totally inadequate. Most of the citations given do not support the statements to which they are attached, or do not mention Kinity, or both. For example, we have the statement that he is a member of "Kenya Community Abroad", but the reference is simply an external link to the web site of that organisation, and does not confirm that Kinity is a member of it. In fact scarcely any of the content is actually cited to sources, and even less content about Isaac Newton Kinity is sourced. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kenya-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment This will need some major rewriting to be acceptable. I think the subject is probably notable, but if so there ought to be some actual 3rd party sources.  DGG ( talk ) 03:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - while the current article is a mess, Kinity seems to have some notability as a labor union leader, shown by the newspaper article image. Huon (talk) 15:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe you're referring to the claim, "Secretary General of the Kenya Civil Servants Union in the period 1995 through 1998"? I tried to find good sources on that. This source discusses the President Moi's deregistering of the Kenya Civil Servants Union, its restart, and subsequently Moi's rescinding of the approval. This might be useful, but it's behind a subscriber wall. I'll keep looking. &mdash; Scientizzle 16:13, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Two articles may exist behind this subscriber wall (one is probably a repeat of one mentioned immediately above). &mdash; Scientizzle 16:21, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I was referring to this image, which seems to be a reproduction of a 1997 newspaper article mentioning Kinity as secretary-general of the Kenya Civil Servants Union. While I wonder whether the image's licensing is correct, we don't require our sources to be available online, and the November 9, 1997 edition of the Sunday Nation seems a reliable source we could use. Huon (talk) 16:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The article linked by Huon does indeed mention Kinity as the interim secretary-general, and gives a few sentences about things he had said about the issue which is the topic of the article. However, I cannot see that this can possibly be regarded as substantial coverage of Kinity. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - obviously promotional and lacks sources devoted to the subject. There's an outside chance he's notable, and I'd acknowledge that if this were written in neutral fashion from reliable, independent sources providing in-depth coverage of Kinity, but we may as well scrap this version. - Biruitorul Talk 16:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of notability has been found. The only "keep" is based on one newspaper article in which Kinity is mentioned but not given significant coverage. DGG says "I think the subject is probably notable", and he may well be right, which is why I did not say "delete" earlier: I was willing to allow time for sources to be found. However, they haven't been found, and we can't presume notability without evidence. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
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