Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isabel Plantagenet


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Keep in its rewritten form. -- RHaworth 08:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Isabel Plantagenet
I am no expert on the subject, bringing the article here as a courtesy to the user who reprodded it. According to the talk page and the creator's talk page, this is misinformation. Although the article creator probably did not intend it as a hoax, they may have believed a hoax. Trusting User:Choess's explanation, I vote delete as not verifiable by reliable sources. Failing that, the article gives little reason to believe this person is notable enough for an article to herself, even if she existed, since there is no information other than her parentage. NickelShoe (Talk) 20:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Whole discussion is now null that the article has been rewritten from scratch about a totally different person. Withdraw nomination. NickelShoe (Talk) 14:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete as I can't find anything I'd consider a WP:V source. If someone comes up with a good source then I'd be willing to change to a Merge to her more notable supposed parentage: Richard I of England.--Isotope23 20:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Richard died childless. His lack of children is one of the reasons he's been so widely assumed to be gay, and there has been speculation for centuries that the marriage was never consummated. If his wife had borne a child we certainly wouldn't have that speculation. Fan1967 21:00, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep After article rewrite to point to the 15th century. Fan1967 17:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * delete as per isotope. --Strothra 00:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as untrue. Had such a child been born, it would have been a major historical event.  Furthermore, had Berengaria borne a potential heir, she and the child would not have been allowed to slip into history's niches:: enough people did not want either John or Arthur as king, that "Isabel" would have been a prime marriage target for ambitious barons. -- Simon Cursitor 07:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Further research has diclosed (through Google) that Isabel was Richard Plantagenet's sister, not daughter. However this was not Richard the king, but Richard the 1460 Duke of York, son of Earl Richard of Cambridge, whose sons became in turn King, Duke of Clarence (drownded in malmsey by his elder brother), and King (the last King of England to enter battle for his crown, alleged regicide of his nephew, and crookbacked caricature under the pen of Master Shakespeare). -- Simon Cursitor 11:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Vote negated this datetime as the article is now utterly different to that on which the nomination was made -- Simon Cursitor 07:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. I turned the article to a stub about the older sister of Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York. I don't know if it can be expanded but at least it is not based on a hoax anymore. User:Dimadick
 * Speedy Keep: This is a completely different article since the rewrite, and this time it is about a real person. Ardric47 02:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.