Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isabella Hyslop McLelland


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The result was delete. I hate deleting articles on historical subjects, but GNG has not been demonstrated, and there are no other outstanding notability claims. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Isabella Hyslop McLelland

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I do not even see anything that would amount to even a claim to notability--the nearest is vice chair of a branch of one of the less notable 20th century organizations in the field.  DGG ( talk ) 07:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete I ran a couple of searches in books and newspaper archives where a notable Scots suffragette would have turned up.IceFishing (talk) 12:30, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * She was notable in that she was a Scottish Suffragette. Clareleethompson


 * A large number of women were Scottish suffragettes, although most suffragettes were not notable. Just as most political activists today are not notable.  Wikipedia rules clearly require that notability must be established by finding reliable, secondary sources that demonstrate notability and adding them to the article.IceFishing (talk) 16:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * so, as I mentioned, had she been the chair of the Scottish branch of her organization, I would not have challenged the article; but she was only vice-chair. What we should be doing to expand coverage of notable women (and men) is to look for sources for the heads of national organizations, and see what we can find for them, or at least make a list. We normally do consider the heads of major national organizations in each field to be notable .  DGG ( talk ) 16:30, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the challenge to improve the article! Have added a number of references, and looking for more. She was at one time the chair, honorary secretary of, and organiser for the Women's Freedom League in Glasgow. Clareleethompson
 * Here's the thing. All of the sources except one come from the house organ of the Women's Freedom League, making them primary sources.  The only one that doesn't is from The Glasgow Herald, but it is not an obituary by the newspaper staff, but, rather it is a letter from someone who knew  McLelland and therefore also a primary source,IceFishing (talk) 13:24, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have access to newspaper archives from the time she was McClelland was active? There could be write-ups of her/the organization's activities. Are there any books that cover the suffrage movement in Glasgow? DiamondRemley39 (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * A guid cause : the women's suffrage movement in Scotland, Author: Leneman, Leah. Edinburgh : Mercat Press, 1995.IceFishing (talk) 15:57, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll request it, thanks. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, my search of a database of old British newspapers found nothing.IceFishing (talk) 16:00, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Which database was it? DiamondRemley39 (talk) 16:26, 21


 * Delete Alas this subject doesn't meet general notability guidelines. I can't find anything - maybe passing mentions. Even the references in the article appear to be passing mentions, just a guess. I don't mind primary sources, just mentioning the subject or saying that the person was a member of a group or supported an effort isn't enough. Other suffragettes have reliable secondary source coverage. Sadly not every feminist gets a Wikipedia article! Missvain (talk) 21:25, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I cannot find a mention of her in the 1995 version of A Guide Cause - The Women's Suffrage Movement in Scotland, by Leah Leneman which is usually regarded as the main history of the suffragettes in Scotland, which would make me concerned about notability. That said it is possible that since Leneman's death a more recent researcher has uncovered material to suggest she was significant in the movement, but without that I think it is difficult to argue for keep based on her work as a suffragette (which is a pity as I am always reluctant to see article about female activists being deleted). Dunarc (talk) 23:53, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


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