Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isabella Macdonald


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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:07, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Isabella Macdonald

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Biography, referenced to a single primary source that's much more about her husband than her, of a person notable only as the first wife of a politician. While her husband did eventually become Prime Minister of Canada, that didn't happen until ten years after Isabella's death -- so it doesn't make her a spouse of a Prime Minister of Canada for the purposes of clearing the "first lady" exemption to WP:NOTINHERITED, because she wasn't married to him during his term as PM. We extend "first lady" notability to people who are married to a national leader during the national leadership -- but we do not grant "extended genealogy" notability to the first wives that the future leaders were divorced from or widowed by a full decade before actually becoming a national leader, if their notability and sourceability in their own right is this limited. (I'll grant Edna Diefenbaker as an isolated special exception to that, because she was actually the subject in her own right of a full-on biography by a major Canadian writer separately from having had her name mentioned in sources about her husband — but it's the book that makes her a special case, not any sort of automatic inclusion freebie for dead first wives of MPs who hadn't attained the Prime Ministership yet.) Bearcat (talk) 17:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Thsmi002 (talk) 12:28, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Thsmi002 (talk) 12:28, 31 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:HEYMANN, thanks to User:Ipigott for major upgrade to article, sourcing, to which I want to add both the fact that as the wife of one Prime Minister and mother of another, she gets profiled in biographies of both, and the fact that this article, which has been with us since 2003, gets ~20,000 hits a month. I know that this is not a policy=based argument, but it is a kind of people's vote - clearly, people come here to check out the wife of the first Prime Minister of Canada.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:03, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. I am very surprised to see that this very early Wikipedia women's biography from 2003 is suddenly up for deletion, especially as the nominator has edited the article several times since 2009. As the first wife of Canada's first prime minister and the mother of his only surviving son Hugh John Macdonald, Isabella Clark Macdonald has an important place in Canadian history. As noted above, I have come across several accounts of the life of Isabella and have started expanding the article along these lines. The article is no longer based on a single primary source.--Ipigott (talk) 13:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Passes WP:GNG, with 2 pieces of substantive coverage, and a para in her husvand's biog in the Dictionary of Canadian biography. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. NOTINHERITED does not mean that we cannot have articles on people who have an association with someone more famous than themselves. It merely means that we have to demonstrate that the subject is notable by our usual rules, instead of using arguments based on their association. In this case, GNG notability has been demonstrated. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. per WP:GNG. Sources added by other editors demonstrate notability. Thsmi002 (talk) 00:44, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep There are more than adequate sources present in the article, although it is clear the article could benefit from several others that do exist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:18, 4 February 2018 (UTC)


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