Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isaiah Oke


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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 00:40, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Isaiah Oke

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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. A search of the subject on Google isn't showing reliable sources. Moreover, some of the article's references are not about the subject.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 22:33, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.   Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 22:36, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions.   Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 22:36, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Now, Wikipedia also states that rather than a page deletion, efforts should be made to improve the article, the history button for this article Isaiah Oke shows me greatly improving this article, now sir, you are quite knowledgeable and resourceful, now prior nominating this page for deletion, did you at least try your best to improve this article? Did your via talkpage contact the creator of this page and express your displeasure in the articles current state? Do reply me sir. Thank you. Celestina007 (talk) 13:47, 07 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong keep The article was poorly developed by its creator I must say, but as per WP:GNG an article need not pass every guideline to merit inclusion into the Encylopedia. Now may we all keep in mind that the article is about a Nigerian, third world countries do not have as much resources and exposure, (as per research); the Average Nigerian lives on $1 talk less of access to information materials, the Internet & basic sources. America, Asia, Europe do not have this issue,  as so, if it were an article on an American, Asian, or a European I would probably support the nominator. This article up for deletion pertains to an individual born in 1940, in 1940, the Country Nigeria had not even been given their independence, so we all could imagine how low technology was, regardless, articles were still  written about this individual somehow, that obviously portrays a form of notability, a major problem is failure to do proper research before nominating an article for deletion, most editors often make the mistake of ascribing notability just by number of Google hits found and if not satisfied with results, nominates the article. That is why Wikipedia has a policy as thus; WP:COMMONSENSE it enables an editor to sit down and use their discretion before taking an action. Some People born in Nigeria, even at the year 2001, do not have sufficient coverage or articles written about them let alone somehow born 20 years prior the Nigerians received their Independence.
 * " the Average Nigerian lives on $1 talk less of access to information materials, the Internet & basic sources. America, Asia, Europe do not have this issue, as so, if it were an article on an American, Asian, or a European I would probably support the nominator." I have no doubt that the situation in countries like this make it difficult to find coverage but I'm not sure how you expect to have an encyclopedic article written if there is not sufficient coverage from reliable sources...it just simply isn't how an encyclopedia works. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  14:23, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete No sources found that show subject meets WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR. And, as nominator noted, much of the article is not about the subject. --Neil N  talk to me 13:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Also potentially a copyvio, but not sure if it's reverse copyvio or not from here since archive.org is down/really slow. That page itself predates the article by a year but the content was changed. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  14:14, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete The internet not existing when someone would have written about him is pretty irrelevant, as is evidenced by the thousands of articles we have on people who died hundreds of years ago. However, I can't find any reliable sources that support a single item in this article about him. Sure, plenty on the Yoruba religion but that's not the subject. I found some mentions in books, however they are largely as a result of the article on Wikipedia, even citing Wikipedia. Short of this, which is self-written, there is no coverage of this person significant enough to satisfy WP:GNG. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  14:14, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Please can you share with us the community, at least 20 of the 100 articles you speak of? Keep in mind that those articles should be on African people who were at least born in 1940. As we are using the above article as yard-stick. Do so, and I would applogize to the community and change my "strong keep !vote!" to strong delete.Celestina007 (talk) 15:55, 07 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment @ I choose to reply you because your edits and history button shows you are quite intelligent and use common sense a lot when carrying out your duties. Now let me say this; please do allow this deletion process take its full course, you don't need to mention me every now and again as I am not the creator of the article as stated above, I'm only of the opinion it's of encyclopedic value and would be a great read for 3rd party. You said you know thousands of articles written about people who died hundreds of years ago? Please of Which articles do you speak of?
 * Regarding me replying to you - I did so based on your vote to explain sources, as I'm not sure that you understand the requirement. What about my !vote was disruptive to this process? I am allowing the deletion process to take its full course by participating in a deletion discussion, which often includes replying to others participating. Is there some reason I am not allowed to? You've missed my point about the lack of internet sources. Are you telling me that we should accept unreliable sources (or non-existent) based on the fact that it's hard to get coverage in Nigeria? Wikipedia accepts books and non-internet sources, provided they are cited correctly. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  15:14, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Celestina, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking for, but looking at categories (e.g., Category:19th-century South African people) would probably help. --Neil N  talk to me 15:45, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Also Category:19th-century Nigerian people. So...yeah it's possible to have articles on people from Nigeria who were born before the age of technology and what not. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  16:16, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment &  to a certain extent I understand your arguement, it's quite plausible just as mine is, example : Adam, according to the Christian bible  is the first man on earth, which is thousands of years ago, wow he surely must not have any articles about him, but wait, he does? How is that so?? How please?? It is so because he is of extreme great value to the history of humanity and Mankind. Now, some African individuals, perhaps even Nigerians born before 1940 have articles about them because like Adam, they were of priceless value to the history of that specific Nation, take a look at the link provided by @ on 19 century Nigerians you'd discover some were traditional prime ministers  and some very great kings of powerful states. Do you think that they were the only notable people of their time? Surely not, but because of their very great positions it was mandatory 'history' took note of them, if for example, the subject of our deliberation existed then, a mere shaman, do you think 'history' Would have accommodated him???? The answer is No, and you made a statement above sir @ implying that this article has no references, it does, but sadly a great part of its Refrences is in print or hard copy, that was why I challenged the nominator, seeing as he is of Nigerian descent to at least try and develop it before this nomination, because surely information resource centers are now available in Nigeria he could walk into any and make good research on this subject I'm not sure the Nigerian information collection centers make use of virtual libraries I could have from my end done the research but again this is one major issue affecting third world countries lack of technology, and mind you @ I never said you should cease commenting on this article on the contrary, an intelligent exchange of information is worth more than gold to me. The article itself has some references on it, I'd keep on searching for sources and do the best I can. reply me if you have any questions. Celestina007 (talk) 20:42, 07 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure you're understanding what we are saying nor do I understand what you are saying. If physical sources exist, use them, if they don't, we cannot have an article. The argument that Nigeria/ns won't have adequate sources because of the countries financial instability is a non-starter and rather silly. Look at the last category I gave you, there are hundreds of individuals born well before this man in Nigeria with adequate reliable sources. You're making this into something that it is not, you're comparing apples to houses. I never said there were no sources, just that there were no reliable sources in the article or that I could find. The only source that mentions him is a self-published book. If physical sources exist, find them, cite them properly and update the article. This is an encyclopedia and requires reliable sources, period (particularly for living people.) Instead of continuing to argue about why there might not be sources, why don't you look for the ones that do exist (if they do)? CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  20:10, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * As previously stated in my reply to you at Articles for deletion/Okon Goes to School, I am in no way obligated to communicate with other editors before deciding to nominate an article for deletion. If I come across an article not suitable for stand-alone inclusion, I am going to nominate it for deletion. I did a Google search of the subject before nominating this article for deletion. Do you expect me to improve an article that do not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines?  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 23:34, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * @ I have instructed the content creator to go to libraries located in his city & source for information and references for his articles as it appears the subject of his article existed in a time when the Internet was not available in his country Nigeria, I have included some inline citations to the article but as stated by claims should be supported by sufficient inline citations, in future if the content creator can't still provide references for his article then yes I propose for it to be Deleted.Celestina007 (talk) 14:20, 07 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The source you added was clearly copied directly from this article, it even includes the references section, and in any case I seriously doubt that site qualifies as a reliable source anyway, even if the material was original. The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 16:36, 8 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete (although the descriptions of cultism read as well as any Dennis Wheatley) as failing WP:PERSON, and much of the actually more important WP:BLP. Probably the most fundamental tenet of that policy ('') is steamrollered- with no prejudice, however, to the argument made regarding WP:BIAS. &mdash; O Fortuna   velut luna...  08:31, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - absolutely no indication that the subject meets WP:NPERSON, being a self proclaimed sorcerer is of no significance at all, as well as really no signs of satisfying WP:GNG; the only sources in the article that actually refer to the subject are a WP mirror and the guy's autobiography, and some searching hasn't turned up anything reliable. Plus obviously the WP:BLP issue. The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 16:36, 8 April 2017 (UTC)


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