Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isak Ssewankambo


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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) czar ♔   15:19, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Isak Ssewankambo

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by an IP without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:06, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following article for the same reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:22, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


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*Delete - Fail WP:NFOOTY as have not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subjects have garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Both are examples of WP:CRYSTAL, No problem with recreation of these very short article if they ever meet any of the NFOOTY criteria. Fenix down (talk) 06:41, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep both - have now both just scraped over the NFOOTY line. A prime example of why editors should be actively discouraged from creating articles for people who do not currently meet notability guidelines, as we end up with this needless back and forth. Fenix down (talk) 09:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - both fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 12:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: He actually made his professional debut tonight. I added some sources to the article. 86.211.91.236 (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - He made his professional debut in the Dutch Super Cup. He is also one of the biggest talents in the Netherlands. He has received coverage from major publications, as indicated in the sources of the article, and has been announced as a permanent fixture in the first team of Ajax. It is rather pointless to remove the article, only to add it back next week after the match against Vitesse. Subzzeetalk 12:47, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - could someone please add a source to indicate an NFOOTY pass as suggested above, and no it is not pointless to remove articles on non-notable individuals. We don't make articles on people in anticipation of notability, only when they are notable. That is a fundamental tenet of GNG and the reason for the existence of CRYSTAL. Fenix down (talk) 06:37, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well the sources in the article demonstrate that he played in the Dutch Super Cup, which is played between the winner of the Dutch league and the winner of the Dutch Cup, both of which are used on the list of leagues WP:NFOOTY uses to establish notability. Surely playing in the Super Cup establishes notability? 86.211.94.178 (talk) 10:06, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see any comment about the dutch super cup in the one source in the article for Ssewankambo. Can you please highight the specific part of the source text that says he played, please? Fenix down (talk) 11:27, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I was referring to Anwar El Ghazi. He played in the Dutch Super Cup. This is the source used for that in the article: 86.211.94.178 (talk) 11:48, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I feel that the Super Cup, like the Community Shield is basically a glorified pre-season friendly and so does not count towards NFOOTY.


 * Keep El Ghazi, delete Ssewankambo - the former has made his debut in an official national competition (Dutch Super Cup) so he passes WP:NFOOTBALL. The other one does not, instead. --Angelo (talk) 12:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 03:51, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

 Isak Ssewankambo started for NAC in the Eredivisie last night, so this discussion is no longer relevant. 81.226.221.56 (talk) 23:06, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - El-Ghazi is the very definition of someone who only just satisfies NFOOTY, but there does seem to be feeling that he is notable. Ssewankambo doesn't meet any notability criteria. Fenix down (talk) 07:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep -Both of these players have played in the Eredivisie this weekend and Anwar El Ghazi is already well known in Holland. He is one of the best, you will see. Him and Ricardo Kishna will both have a great season. (Subzzee (talk) 18:54, 10 August 2014 (UTC))
 * Keep -As creator of both these pages, I agree with Subzzee. Both players made their debut in the national league. My apologies for creating these pages, conform the rules, a bit too early. But from today I don't see any reason why these pages have to be deleted. (WR227 (talk) 13:45, 11 August 2014 (UTC))
 * Keep - They match with the rules now and both pages should stay. WR227 you were too fast two times, you should wait till a player made his full debut. As of 11 August, they both made their debut and they're okay now. Cheers. Eden10Hazard (talk) 17:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak keep both. Both articles, but particularly the Ssewankambo article, need work to demonstrate that they meet WP:GNG. Both technically pass WP:NFOOTBALL having played in the Eredivisie. Regarding the point about the timing of the nomination - plenty of teams sign young players who don't automatically play in the first team - we don't have a crystal ball. Hack (talk) 09:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Both have played in a Fully professional league therefore are notable per WP:NFOOTBALL. This wasn't the case when the article was nominated for deletion but things have changed since. IJA (talk) 18:33, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Both players have played in the Eredivisie a Fully professional league and hence pass WP:NFOOTBALL.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:05, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
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