Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ishayas' Ascension


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Courcelles 11:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Ishayas' Ascension

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Unsourced and uncritical article on what some assert is a cult. Maintenance tagged since May but not fixed. Guy (Help!) 10:58, 26 November 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:32, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Weak delete. Being a cult should not be a reason for deletion, but it's just not properly sourced. I briefly googled and didn't find any substantial discussion by independent sources, so I think it fails on notability. bobrayner (talk) 04:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. I'm finding this kind of tough to call, because there does appear to be a scholarly work that analyses the movement: it is discussed in Joshua Gunn's Modern occult rhetoric: mass media and the drama of secrecy in the twentieth century, published by Alabama University Press. There's also this article in a British local newspaper. Nothing else I've found could be said to constitute independent coverage. I am inclined to view this as coming up just short of notability: we're looking at a couple of paragraphs in a book and one piece in a local paper, and if that's all the independent coverage that exists then the vast majority of the content in the article cannot ever be adequately cited.
 * NB: this article was created as a verbatim copy of the still-substantially-identical Ishayas back in May '07 (versions at creation: Ishayas; Ishayas' Ascension. I don't want to merge and redir while a deletion discussion is ongoing but suggest that the outcome of this discussion should apply to both. Gonzonoir (talk) 10:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. I think this article is very important to combat those trying to make money of the "secrecy" of this practise. I can't think of a better example of the importance of Wikipedia. I've made some edits adding references.  Hope this helps.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.118.5 (talk) 15:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.