Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamic Society of North America Elementary School


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The result was    redirect to ISNA Canada "keep and move" or "merge into the newly-created article, as has already been done". Yeah, that's incredibly cryptic. Please see User_talk:RoySmith for a discussion on what's going on (and feel free to comment there). -- RoySmith (talk) 00:17, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Islamic Society of North America Elementary School

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This elementary school does not appear to satisfy WP:ORG. Edison (talk) 23:53, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep, with refocus and possible re-titling/move of article. This is apparently the only Wikipedia webpage on ISNA Canada, which is apparently distinct from the clearly notable Islamic Society of North America that is based in the U.S.  The Canadian organization is controversial: ""Islamic group's charitable status revoked over alleged link to terror organization"!  The Canadian organization is separate, as evidenced in Toronto Sun news coverage of the Canadian's loss of tax-exempt status, in this news article linked from the ISNA wikipedia article, in which the U.S. group disavows connection to the Canadian group.  The Canadian group's webpage, http://www.isna.ca, seems to indicate the organization is pretty much centered at the school.  And it is also asserted in the article that this is "one of the oldest" Islamic schools in Toronto area, an assertion of notability.  So, I think the current article should be broadened a bit to be about the Canadian group, and not just its school, and, as the broader topic, it is clearly notable. -- do  ncr  am  18:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment A claim that something is merely "One of the oldest Xs in CityY" does not satisfy WP:N or WP:ORG. You seem to be suggesting a change of this article about a school to an article about the organization, which would require a complete rewrite. Perhaps this article about a nonnotable elementary school should be redirected to a stub article about the sponsoring organization. Edison (talk) 20:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Update: I have considerably revised the article (i guess i did that "complete rewrite" requested by Edison), to make it about the ISNA Canada organization, which operates the ISNA Elementary School (now a section in the article), the ISNA High School (another section), and other programs. As revised, the article is now a slam-dunk KEEP, in my view:  it is a combo article about a major organization that has controversy (alleged support of a terrorist organization, meets wp:GNG), its high school (notable on its own automatically by longstanding precedent at Notability (high schools) that all high schools are wikipedia-notable), and its elementary school which is probably notable on its own, too (though this last is not proven yet, i agree).  So, anyhow, obvious KEEP now. -- do  ncr  am  21:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S.: My intention is that the article should be moved to ISNA Canada, currently a redirect that I set up, upon completion of the AFD.  The AFD directions advise against moving an article during ongoing AFD.  The following currently redirect to the article: ISNA Canada, ISNA-Canada, ISNA Elementary School, ISNA High School, and Islamic Centre of Canada. -- do  ncr  am  21:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And, sources likely available at:
 * -- do ncr  am  22:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment As nominator, I have no objection to moving the article to a new title reflecting that it is now, after Doncram's rewrite, about the organization rather than the elementary school.  There could be a redirect from the elementary school name to the organization article. I don't care whether the AFD is allowed to run its time or is closed early.Edison (talk) 20:20, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for following up. Per that statement by the nominator, there remain no delete votes, so a speedy close by admin or non-admin is possible, or the AFD time can be run out. -- do  ncr  am  15:42, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * -- do ncr  am  22:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment As nominator, I have no objection to moving the article to a new title reflecting that it is now, after Doncram's rewrite, about the organization rather than the elementary school.  There could be a redirect from the elementary school name to the organization article. I don't care whether the AFD is allowed to run its time or is closed early.Edison (talk) 20:20, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for following up. Per that statement by the nominator, there remain no delete votes, so a speedy close by admin or non-admin is possible, or the AFD time can be run out. -- do  ncr  am  15:42, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.