Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel–Hamas war in Israeli music


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn in favor of WP:TNT + move. (non-admin closure) ‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Israel–Hamas war in Israeli music

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There may be a case for an article on this topic (there probably is) but this is an unmitigated mess that really isn't focusing on the issues and is just a spam list of songs. We should WP:TNT this and start over, especially given this is a WP:CTOP. Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment the biggest problem I have with this article is that without sources that discuss the topic, aggregating various releases into an article is SYNTH. BrigadierG (talk) 18:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: Relevant article is an annex on war songs, as there is this article on Effects of the Israel–Hamas war which also has notoriety. I want to understand Allan Nonymous why you keep a list of articles related to Israel. --Acartonadooopo (talk) 18:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:NPA BrigadierG (talk) 18:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: I see at least three articles discussing the topic as a whole: "How Israeli Music Changed After October 7" (Kveller, Feb 16), "Amid thrum of war, popular songs of rage and resilience become post-October 7 soundtrack" (The Times of Israel, Feb 20), "The spirit of Israel today: Listen to the top Israeli songs that have been released since Oct. 7" (Unpacked, Feb 23). Those articles are all in English; I expect there are a great deal more in Hebrew. This is a clearly notable subject. Toughpigs (talk) 19:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs, Music,  and Israel.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP. Want to apply WP:TNT? Go ahead. You don't need to delete the article in order to do that. 47.148.126.19 (talk) 19:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:TNTing this article leaves it a one sentence stub which feels like it might as well get deleted and recreated, especially since this is WP:CTOP territory. I would prefer if more time were taken to create an article. Allan Nonymous (talk) 19:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Deleting almost all content, including content with sources, two hours after nominating the article for deletion is not good practice. I would suggest that you exercise patience, and allow the AfD process to continue as it normally does. Toughpigs (talk) 19:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I apologize for that. I acted in haste here. However, this sort of speaks to my concerns here. WP:TNTing the article down to what we might be able to keep would be minimal. Allan Nonymous (talk) 19:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you may have misunderstood what I meant by "go ahead [and apply WP:TNT]." I meant re-write the article from scratch, not delete everything, leaving the article as a one sentence stub. 47.148.126.19 (talk) 20:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you think we might not be able to keep a huge amount of properly sourced content. I agree that this page should be improved a great deal, and if you want to do that work, then obviously that would be great. But it should start with the sourced content that currently exists. Toughpigs (talk) 20:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Most of the sourced content that already exists is [Person] released [Song], with at most half a sentence of explanation which IMO, fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * One way to apply WP:TNT would be to re-cast the article as "List of music inspired by the Israel–Hamas war", and include music from both the Israeli side, as well as from the other side. 47.148.126.19 (talk) 20:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That might be a good idea, actually. I'm more than willing to withdraw this nom, move the article and create a draft with the sources Toughpigs suggested. That probably is the best way forward and I don't think it would be a terribly controversial move despite WP:CTOP. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think that particular move might be controversial. I'd suggest discussing it on the talk page first. That being said, I'm really glad to hear that you're interested in improving the article. Toughpigs (talk) 20:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * All right, I opened a discussion in the talk page of the article. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds like the best option would be to withdraw this nomination, to be able to improve the article without the restrictions imposed by WP:EDITATAFD (item #4 on the list prohibits a renaming of the article during a deletion discussion). 47.148.126.19 (talk) 20:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.