Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel–Lebanon relations


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The result was   Keep per WP:SNOW; there's already a strong consensus against deletion here. Non-admin closure.— S Marshall  Talk / Cont  21:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Israel–Lebanon relations

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Israel and Lebanon never had any bilateral relations, and Lebanon does not recognize the State of Israel. It could possibly do that pending the Arab Peace Initiative or similar future developments, but Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Having a 'bilateral relations' article on this topic is factually incorrect. Some material of the article might be transferred to Israeli–Lebanese conflict. Soman (talk) 08:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. As a point of principle I think the lack of bilateral relations could very well be notable, especially when, as in this case, the two states share a border.  In this context the fact that one doesn't recognise the other is also notable.  The two countries may not have a normal bileteral diplomatic relationship but the artical title isn't "Israel-Lebanon bileteral diplomatic relations" and the very fact that Isreal has previously controlled much of Lebanon means the two countries have a relationship and given the magnitude of this event it's clearly notable.  There are also many other events that make the relationship notable but that will do as an example. Dpmuk (talk) 09:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong keep 2 nations that have been at war have some form of relations even if it is unfriendly. these article series are not just about formal friendly diplomatic relations. As someone who has nominated a lot of these bilateral articles, this one is clearly notable. LibStar (talk) 09:38, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment, "relations" in this context refers to bilateral diplomatic relations. States which do not recognize each other do not have relations. That why we don't have articles like 'Kosovo-Serbia relations', 'Morocco-Western Sahara relations', etc.. Israeli–Lebanese conflict is an apt place for the material of this article, Israeli–Lebanese conflict can very well include passages of informal contacts or possibilities of peace moves. --Soman (talk) 09:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * really, these 2 countries don't have formal diplomatic relations, yet an article exists Indonesia–Israel relations. LibStar (talk) 09:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I wouldn't vote 'keep' on that article either. Perhaps 'Indonesian views on Arab-Israeli conflict' would be a better title for an article. --Soman (talk) 10:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep: I certainly don't share the complete pedantry of declaring that nations can't have diplomatic contacts without officially recognizing one another. Plainly governments have contact with one another, and the entries in this article are sourced and meaningful.    RGTraynor  10:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep "relations" does not necessarily mean "formal diplomatic relations". Hut 8.5 11:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This is going to be a snowball. Although the nomination was made in good faith, the "x" and "y" relations articles are, as others have pointed out, not limited to diplomatic relations.  If you're regularly fighting with your neighbor, you are having relations.  The goal in weeding out the x-y articles has been to take care of those where there is essentially nothing happening between two countries, such as, say, Lesotho and Iceland.  Mandsford (talk) 13:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Clearly notable, especially in regards to military history and source exist. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 16:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep Appears to have good sources and countries do not necessarily have to have good relations to warrant an article on WP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roaring Siren (talk • contribs)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.