Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel (nation)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 10:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Israel (nation)

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Unsourced POV fork from Israel. Also nominating Israeli (nation). Suggest merge of any useful content. -- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 08:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge or redirect if any info cannot be salvaged. ArcAngel (talk) 08:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Looks like religious teaching to me, not information relevant to an encyclopedia entry. --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 08:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete An essay with a WP:POV, does not belong on an encyclopedia. On the other hand articles about religious teachings do, if they are notable enough to attract secondary coverage by reliable sources. Borock (talk) 11:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * ""Yuri Kozharov (author)"". This is not a religious teaching since Kabbalah is not religion, although usually classified under Jewish Mysticism. There is some connection to 'Jewish' but not much to mysticism however (will be revised to include information deemed relevant to encyclopaedia entry as suggested (sources, probably names of historical figures known well enough) which supposedly will satisfy both religious people and Kabbalists while mantaining purity of meaning. Also, there is no WP:POV in actuality as kabbalistic sources say the same thing, so at least from Kabbalah standpoint this is worth keeping (will be revised: sources added, attributions to Kabbalah placed where appropriate. Hopefully this will satisfy all). This is actually an article about the meaning of the word, it is in itself not a teaching. Merging with Israel won't help as article is about the State in the Mediterranean, while here it is about the nation, which is not the same as Jewish nation or Israeli the nationality. Any ideas welcome. This is actually important for millions of visitors. Also, I am not Israeli an never been there.


 * Delete. Dicdef plus rambling essay. Hairhorn (talk) 14:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * This is not a topic I'm familiar with, but it's obviously not a fork from Israel. The confusion here stems from the title. The author doesn't mean nation as in country, but nation as in culture. The topic should probably be covered (with sources, of course) as part of Kabbalah and the many related articles. Perhaps userfy the page to let the author work on it and find sources, and they can move the content to a better place later. • Anakin (talk) 15:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge/redirect this can easily be moved back into the main article. The creator has less than 20 edits, and probably didn't know any better. Lets merge so we can send a message to the creator that your contributions are valuable, they just are not currently being written correctly. Ikip (talk) 15:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC) (author: I only registered yesterday, but been Wikipedia editor since 2002, couple of articles I created from scratch and followed them up (these are my babies and I'm sorry for temporary separation from them. Couple of articles I edited, but never engaged in edit wars as they usually go. I prefer to go civilized).
 * Comment FWIW new author Yuri Kozharov has left this message on my talkpage requesting that it remain a stub until he has time to work on it. The duplicate article Israeli (nation) is up for CSD. -- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 15:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. creator needs to copy material back to their sandbox, find references, rewrite, and maybe ask for assistance before attempting to create this article. we cant merge unsourced content. I agree that there may well be a good article or section of an article here, but not until its sourced.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 15:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC) (Author: sure I will add sources, I merely want to do this as well as I could, it takes some time).
 * Delete An essay that suggests that the name of Israel was originally intended to refer to followers of the Kabbalist movement, or at least that's what I'm picking up from it. Unsourced, rambling, definitely POV.  Although "nation" can mean more than a sovereign national unit, most people think of the nation of Israel as the one that became independent in 1948. Mandsford (talk) 16:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC) (Here I can only add that you could refer to Kabbalah Dictionary, which I will add as source. Of course I know that most people think. In many regards what most people think is far from truth while corroborated by credible sources. In many occasions credible sources are disregarded by most. Therefore I think we need to exercise caution, clearly state where this explanation come from - from Kabbalah. To publish a separate article with Kabbalistic context is no more POV than many examples that go below our radar. It could be fun to delete a respected article deemed to be in accordance with the policies, which could be done, but there is no sense in wasting time in such a manner, apart from other reasons.)
 * Delete Unsourced, POV, OR??, probable rhubarb. Peridon (talk) 20:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Unsourced, rambling OR. If the name is important, it should be a brief paragraph in the main article. Yoninah (talk) 09:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.