Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel national bobsleigh team


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The result was keep. WP:GNG has been met. This is (was?) a team that represented its country at the international level. Olympic participation is not a requirement, particularly when the General Notability Guideline is satisfied. (non-admin closure) Exemplo347 (talk) 00:31, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Israel national bobsleigh team

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Non-notable sports team. The country has not qualified for the Olympics ever. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:46, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep This is a national team with significant coverage in multiple Israeli major newspapers (albeit not always flattering…). Qualification for the Olympics was never the criteria for notability. -- IsaacSt (talk) 05:32, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * IsaacSt, I don't see significant coverage in multiple major newspapers referenced in the article, although I did add one (wait, I added the other one too). A Google search shows 20 hits for this title, three for "Israeli National Bobsleigh Team", and 18 for "Israeli Bobsled and Skeleton Team". So far the article is supported by two news articles, one personal blog and a link to a sports statistics web page on which I didn't find information about the organization. If you know about some offline news reports, perhaps you could add references to them to the article.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * References are indeed not included, which is definitely a point for improvement for anyone interested in developing this article, but per WP:NEXIST, notability is judged by the existence of sources - not their inclusion. Here are just sample articles about the bobsled team from all 3 largest Israeli national newspapers with online presence in 2004-2005:  . Since the skeleton team is more recent, just google Adam (AJ) Edelman or Brad Chalupski (even in English), and you’d see plenty. -- IsaacSt (talk) 07:34, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I incorporated those three into the article. I did find a number of English articles about Chalupski and Edelman, however, as far as I can see, none of the independently written ones say anything about the "Israel Bobsled and Skeleton team" or any similar words.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 13:47, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Anne_Delong, I’m impressed with your dedication in improving this article. Like me, you probably didn't imagine you'd be spending that much time on bobsleigh... The challenge with your google searches (besides WP:NONENG) is that the sources hardly ever use the formal name of the national team. They instead use terms like "Israeli bobsled team" , "bobsleigh and skeleton team" , "Israeli skeleton team" , or "Team Israel to race skeleton" . The online sources in the Hebrew language - and there are many - also suffer from the same issue. Regardless, it looks like the notability is clearly there, and if we want to continue the discussion on the improvement of the article - perhaps this should take place on the article's Talk page, instead. -- IsaacSt (talk) 19:00, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll wait for the results here, and if it passes leave it to someone with the appropriate language skills and sports knowledge. My concern is, is this really an actual team, with an official name? If so, what is it?  Do the sports organizations in Israel acknowledge it? Or is it just some athletes who belong to an association or federation or whatever but compete separately?  Skeleton is a solo event.  The sources I've read all seem to disagree, and I am too ignorant about sports organizations to put them in context in order to vote Keep or Delete.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 22:01, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If the bobsleigh national team decided to put skeleton under their roof, it doesn't make them any less of a team. BTW, each and every one of the sources mentioned above used the word "team", and there are many more. As for the official name, I could only find sources saying that this was the official name, which kind of hints that it may have changed??? We probably need someone with more subject matter knowledge, and the discussion can continue on the article's Talk page. Either way, it's an easy Keep for me, since even if the team were to be dismantled, it was notable before, and that doesn't go away. -- IsaacSt (talk) 22:53, 14 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep This is a national team competing in an international sport, with an article (as updated) that includes reliable and verifiable sources, with more available to be added. Alansohn (talk) 17:57, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable.  I thought Jamaican Bobsled Team clause would help me decide, but it didn't ;-)  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:56, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


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