Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel will not exist in 25 years


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge and redirect to Ali Khamenei. The majority clearly believes that the material should not exist as a standalone article. The material will be merged into the article about Khamenei, and redirect is preferable to deletion.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:24, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Israel will not exist in 25 years

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Low importance, No indication of importance, Transfer to wikiquote Kasir talk 14:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete not sure why this wasn't CSD'ed or PRODed. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * why your not tryna delete this kinda sorta article like it: Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Persians, Jews, and Flies ?/ it has too much longer details and boring not? hey man improve your worthy limits something u think its not worthy not means ur right..AmirMuhammad1 (talk) 07:22, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge into Iran–Israel relations (with a level of detail appropriate for its relatively light weight, of course) and delete. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 16:04, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge, redirect to a very brief mention at Ali Khamenei section at Iran–Israel relations.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:32, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Ali Khameni or Iran-Israel relations. It's plausible someone would search for this, so it should redirect somewhere that they can find information, but it's not notable enough to justify a standalone article. Put some of the content in Khameni's article or Iran-Israel relations and redirect this there. Smartyllama (talk) 12:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete doesn't have any value to keep this kind of news Modern Sciences (talk) 21:04, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep Sources show importance of the article and also there are several references about this subject. We can complete the article and add a section about Iran-Israel relation. Saff V. (talk) 11:00, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You mean like Iran-Israel relations? Sir Joseph (talk) 15:19, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep: Not important? Did you want to say not notable? Because we don't usually nominate articles at AFD because of being not important. However, did you even searched the title? I did, and this is the result:
 * Iran's supreme leader: There will be no such thing as Israel in 25 years by CNN.
 * Iran’s Supreme Leader Says Israel Won’t Exist in 25 Years by New York Times.
 * Khamenei to Israel: You Will Not Exist in 25 Years by Foreign Policy.
 * Iran's Supreme Leader: Israel Will Not Exist in 25 Years by Haaretz.
 * Iran Nuclear Deal: Israel Will Not Exist In 25 Years, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei Says by Ibtimes.
 * Iranian Leader: Israel Will Be Gone in 25 Years by Israel Today.
 * Khamenei: Israel Will No Longer Exist in 25 Years by US News.
 * One can easily add items to the above list. Mhhossein (talk) 15:08, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Nobody said he didn't say it or it isn't notable, but it's not worthy of an encyclopedia article. We're not a repository of quotes. This has a place, and that place was already mentioned, either at his article or II Relations. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:18, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * So, if nobody says it's not notable, we are wasting our time and energy here in this AFD discussion. It's of course encyclopedic and if you read the article you'll see that we're not a repository of quotes in this article. We may even make article for notable lectures, let alone notable quotes (see Tear down this wall!, A Time for Choosing and this list) Mhhossein (talk) 04:46, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to Iran–Israel relations. Just another one in a long line of threats by Iran. Unlike "Tear down this wall!", which basically concerned half the world and involved the end of the Cold War, Khamenei's utterance does not have the significant coverage (not just passing mentions as part of a lecture) that is required for a stand-alone article. - HyperGaruda (talk) 07:15, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * HyperGaruda Does it "not have the significant coverage", while I provided many sources for it and still there are many other sources? Mhhossein (talk) 06:22, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * read WP:SIGCOV. It means that there should be enough in-depth information about the phrase. Many sources that hardly describe anything (i.e. superficial information) do not constitute significant coverage. Also, since this is the gazilionth time time that Iran threatens Israel, this could be seen as routine news, so I'm also calling in WP:NOTNEWS. - HyperGaruda (talk) 06:43, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * What details are you searching for that you can't find here, here, here or etc. By the way, this was not merely a threat, this was a notable prediction. As you know, Khomeini, former supreme leader, made a similar prediction about Soviet Union's dissolution which came true shortly after the prediction was done. --Mhhossein (talk) 07:40, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Details as in stuff that is not WP:COATRACK about either the nuclear deal, Iran-Israel relations, or other background info. What I want to see is WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE ("a burst or spike of news reports does not automatically make an incident notable") about the phrase. And let's face it, that is darn difficult for quotes, which is why we have WP:NOTQUOTE and the WikiQuote project. - HyperGaruda (talk) 09:03, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:COATRACK is an essay on Wiki articles and does not apply here regarding our sources. As you know, "coverage does not need to be ongoing for notability to be established," although the subject fulfills WP:PERSISTENCE referring to the news of the phrase being chosen as the most important sentence of the year by people per a conducted poll, an analysis on why Israel won't see next 25 years , Enough is enough! --Mhhossein (talk) 13:47, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep well sourced and of WP:PERSISTENCE. Muffled Pocketed  10:43, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Expanding on mu comment above, there are simply not enough available sources to support an article. This was a remark made by a political leader in a September 2015.  It received a brief flurry of news coverage due to its genocidal nature, but was limited with little exception to a 24-hour news cycle, and we don't cover that sort of thing as per WP:NEWS.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:14, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You would see that I provided at least two sources published almost 6 months after the first mention of the subject by news outlets. Mhhossein (talk) 06:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment We should kill everyone in China was deleted previously. Is this article title really a plausible redirect? Does it have enduring notability to justify having such a title? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 13:56, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete (or possibly Redirect, but I don't have a strong opinion about where) - All of the sources look to be from within the span of a few days. Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS, is not WikiQuote, and requires lasting significance and independent notability. We have a whole lot of articles about relations, positions, etc. -- this does not look to be sufficient for a stand-alone article. &mdash;  Rhododendrites Curly Hauglan|talk]]  \\ 03:12, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * [[User:Rhododendrites's point is very well taken. This topic was discussed in a single news cycle ~ 10 months ago.   Then it dropped off the radar.  It has had no demonstrable impact (Iran has not followed up by destroying Israel) and almost no reliable, secondary sources discuss the topic. The one or two sources brought to this page from recent months are in Persian media that may not be independent of the government - Iran does not have a free press.  And without some indication of impact or sustained coverage, this speech is simply not WP:NOTABLE.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:14, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


 * speedy Keep have been so famous by such as CNN ,NBC, Haaretz etc... AmirMuhammad1 (talk) 03:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete and then Redirect later if needed as there's still questionability for having this as its own convincing article, the current information suggests nothing else better for the future. SwisterTwister   talk  06:32, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Simon Wiesenthal Center included this sentence as one of the top ten worst global 2015 Anti-Semitic/Anti-Israel incidents in the report published in 2016. This adds weight to the notability and proves that the coverage by media is still continued. Mhhossein (talk) 17:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Just a passing mention. Iran's entry in the list is more about the International Holocaust Cartoon Competition. - HyperGaruda (talk) 18:21, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * So, what? Needless to say that its being mentioned in the list means a lot! Mhhossein (talk) 05:16, 26 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment this is an absolutely much tougher thing 'bout Israel. it could be makes or brings a lot of media-bombing in the news coperations in the future and affects directly the next politic decisions in the next days of the world. AmirMuhammad1 (talk) 01:45, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Iran–Israel relations. The Iranian government has said various threatening things about Israel over the years, I don't see why each individual statement that falls into that category requires its own article. Much better to consider all those statements together and in the overarching historical context than to split the coverage of them over multiple individual articles. SJK (talk) 05:37, 26 June 2016 (UTC)


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