Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/It's About Damn Time


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Bilorv ( talk ) 22:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

It's About Damn Time

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Sourcing shows no notability with the possible exception of Fortune, which is not verifiable (paywall) and by itself not enough. The PRH site - cited - lists blurbs, Goodreads and the book's Audible edition are not presentable sources. Backstage Capital is a VC with no editorial policy. Search shows no notability, no in-depth coverage, independent reviews or anything else that would get this book beyond WP:GNG. The song by Lizzo, clearly, IS notable... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature, Business,  and Management. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete and then redirect to "About Damn Time". Nom summed it up perfectly. (Special out now)  — VersaceSpace  🌃 18:48, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm finding some things here and there, but I'm running into two issues. The first is that some of them are from places that may not be reliable. For example, I found CRWNMAG, but it looks like they may offer articles as part of their advertising package, which poses a possible COI. The other issue is that when there is coverage, the article is more about the author herself as opposed to the book. My personal thought so far is to just flesh out the article on Hamilton and then add a hatnote on the Lizzo song article. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  13:52, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Notability (books) says: "A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book."  This is a 315-word book review. The book review notes: "Refreshing in its inclusivity, Hamilton’s book offers wise and practical lessons from the margins to all “underestimated people” looking to make a difference in the world of business and beyond. Inspiring reading for budding entrepreneurs."  This is a 213-word book review. The book review notes: "In this excellent debut, Hamilton, founder of the venture capital firm Backstage Capital, shares how she went from being on food stamps and sleeping at the San Francisco airport to running her own multimillion-dollar investment fund. ... Though any reader can use Hamilton’s sage advice, this will be a must-read for anyone interested in venture capital."  The article provides 171 words of coverage about the book. The article notes: "Despite the extreme inequality—especially for women of color—in Silicon Valley and the business world at large, Hamilton argues in It’s About Damn Time (Currency) that a privileged background, an influential network, and a fancy college degree are not prerequisites for success, further suggesting that being undervalued simply means that a bigger upside exists."  The article notes: "Endorsed by big names like Fair Fight's Stacey Abrams and Shark Tank entrepreneur Mark Cuban, Hamilton's book is packed with lessons in cultivating independence, self-confidence, courage, and tenacity."</li> <li> This is a 173-word book review. The book review notes: "Readers will find it easy to be inspired by her success stories and admire her drive to continue after each defeat. ... This book will appeal to those her company encourages as well as young women seeking a fresh and motivating role model."</li> <li> This is an 85-word book review. The book review notes: "Hamilton does a great job of making the reader feel like they're a friend she's having an intimate conversation with, letting them into her truth. While her narrative is about helping black, LGBTQI+ women in a white, male-dominated industry, her rags-to-riches story will appeal to all. She does a fine job of weaving in her emotions and life experiences and does an even better job of outlining practical things she's done to improve her life and to become the successful venture capitalist she is today."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow It's About Damn Time: How to Turn Being Underestimated into Your Greatest Advantage to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 09:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC) </li></ul> 1. Kirkus sells reviews, is not RS. 2. A blurb written from PR copy, not a review. 3. Fortune noted in nomination. 4. This piece uses the immortal words, "Hamilton’s new book’s press release echoes data she often shares in interviews" - another PR copy. 5. Short review in Booklist, a specialist librarian's review title. Any publisher will submit titles for review. 6. Sunday Times Johannesburg - Book bites are short reviews, as noted, 85 words. Despite Cunard's diligence, I still do not believe we are in "non-trivial published works" territory. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:18, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * comment These are routine coverage from a publisher's PR round, not non-trivial works, IMHO.
 * From Reliable sources/Perennial sources, "Most content by Kirkus Reviews is considered to be generally reliable. Kirkus Indie is a pay for review program for independent authors, its content is considered to be questionable and to not count towards notability, in part because the author can choose whether or not the review is published." According to Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 356, paid reviews such as this one are tagged "Review Program: Kirkus Indie". The review I posted is not tagged under "Review Program: Kirkus Indie", so I consider it an independent reliable source. Publishers Weekly is a reliable source. It includes independent analysis such as calling the book an "excellent debut", "sage advice", and a "must-read for anyone interested in venture capital". The 171-word coverage in the Fortune article provides significant coverage of the book and was not contested in the nomination statement. The 173-word Booklist review is significant coverage. The book has received more than enough significant coverage in reviews to pass Notability (books), which requires significant coverage in only two reviews. Cunard (talk) 01:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


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