Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Italian occult psychedelia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica1000 23:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Italian occult psychedelia

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Does not seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. Google-fu showed no significant news coverage. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 02:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  04:43, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  04:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - a phrase coined in 2012 that nobody seems to have use much since, certainly not often enough to establish it as a notable "genre". Stalwart 111  06:51, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - all Italian music magazines speaks about Italian occult psychedelia. Blow Up, Rumore, Repubblica - Xl, Il Mucchio Selvaggio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matteo769 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you have significant coverage in multiple reliable sources to verify that? Stalwart 111  23:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...based on the recent edits to the article, I'd really like the eyes of a neutral party who speaks Italian on those external links to tell us whether this is salvageable. My Italian is extremely limited - I basically know how to buy food. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 02:10, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Excuse me, but if you're not italian, if your Italian is extremely limited and if you didn't read Blow Up, Rumore, Xl - Repubblica and other italian magazines, how you can say that "nobody seems to have use much since, certainly not often enough to establish it as a notable "genre"? Also the British journalist Simon Reynolds, one of the best critics in the world, spoke about Italian occult psychedelia on his blog. Buy the magazines linked, so you can verify. Here's a screenshot of Rumore magazine about Italian occult psychedelia http://i57.tinypic.com/2njd45w.jpg

Here's a screenshot of Blow Up magazine http://i57.tinypic.com/294lafn.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matteo769 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

And here's a screenshot of Xl - Repubblica http://it.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=vnz1xf&s=8 Xl is the cultural magazine of Repubblica, the second most read italian newspaper.
 * I'd like to note that I didn't say those things, User:Stalwart111 did. What I said was that the genre wasn't notable, based on putting those same sites through Google Translate. I asked for an Italian speaker to see if there's something I'm missing, but I don't think I am. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 19:46, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I also have my doubts about the reliability of the Simon Reynolds source - per WP:SPS, blogs are rarely acceptable, although WP:NEWSBLOG makes an exception for experts in their fields. But I'm not seeing anything that marks him as an expert - I can't find anything that labels him "one of the best critics in the world," as you put it. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 19:52, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia says that about Reynolds, not me http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Reynolds

And that's Simon Reynolds official blog. Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.70.9.39
 * Note: For English version, see Simon Reynolds. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 21:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Italian version of wikipedia described him as "one of the most important contemporary critics". You said "I'm not seeing anything that marks him as an expert". Also English version speaks clearly about Simon Reynolds competence.


 * Blogs are generally not considered reliable sources except for in rare circumstances when a "blog" is simply a technical medium for publishing otherwise reliable news or academic content. In some cases, as pointed out above, a blog post might be considered a reliable source if the publisher is an expert in their field and they are simply repeating what they have said elsewhere in reliable sources or are somehow paraphrasing reliably sourced content. Wikipedia is not a reliable source (including Italian WP) with regard to whether or not someone is an expert. Beyond all of that, it's still one source and not significant coverage in multiple reliable sources are required by WP:GNG. Such significant coverage also helps to verify that we're not talking about a narrowly-used neologism. Stalwart 111  04:52, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I posted links and screenshots to multiple reliable sources, Repubblica - Xl, Blow Up magazine, Rumore and Il Mucchio. They are the main italian music magazines.
 * Just a request, could you please sign your posts? Just type ~ at the end of each post. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 18:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I can't believe I didn't think of this before, but I'm going to notify WikiProject Italy and WikiProject Music about this discussion. With just the three of us this will go nowhere. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 19:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I can sign my posts. Following another English source http://louderthanwar.com/italian-occult-psychedelia-new-scene-of-post-punk-trip-weirdness-from-italy/ Matteo769 (talk) 21:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

 Why do you want do delete Italian occult psychedelia page? I'ts a codified genre on italian indie-rock. All the references of the page are right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madvix (talk • contribs) 17:46, 6 March 2014 (UTC) — Madvix (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 
 * Keep, niche and relatively new but well-established musical (sub)genre. Blow Up, La Repubblica, Rumore, Vice and Il Mucchio Selvaggio surely are all reliable and independent sources, ArteCapital very likely too. Cavarrone 09:17, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 13:09, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


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