Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ito Sakata


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 02:47, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Ito Sakata

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This actor does not seem to meet WP:ENTERTAINER. Malkinann (talk) 23:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  —Malkinann (talk) 23:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. --Malkinann (talk) 23:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  —Malkinann (talk) 23:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, lacks significant coverage from reliable third party publications. Typical disclaimer: if non-trivial coverage can be located in a non-English language, and can be confirmed to be from a reliable source I will withdraw my !delete.   JBsupreme  ( talk ) 23:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Possible PR by management firm, and no results which may not have been added by the firm on Google (first 8 pages) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rotovia (talk • contribs) 00:04, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Bit parts are not what's needed to pass WP:ENTERTAINER. She may become notable in the future for her voice acting work, but for now, delete. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment'. This is a Google translation of the Japanese Wikipedia page. This is a Google News archive search for her Japanese name, 阪田伊都 – Eastmain (talk • contribs)  00:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, the Japanese Wikipedia has a "blood type" field in their infoboxes? How weird.   JBsupreme  ( talk ) 00:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * See Blood types in Japanese culture -- it's taken more seriously than, say, zodiac signs are in the States, and I meet a lot of people who swear by their horoscope. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I added some references. Google translation doesn't give you more than a general idea of what the Japanese articles are discussing. – Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure if the article now passes GNGs or not? --Malkinann (talk) 03:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete When I redid the LOW, I noticed that all but one were bit parts. And even the non-bit part isn't enough to pass WP:ENTERTAINER. She may be notable some day, but not today. —Farix (t &#124; c) 01:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Have you checked the Japanese Wikipedia article for this? She has done a lot more work than is listed.     D r e a m Focus  05:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I added in the information from the Japanese Wikipedia. Most of the things she has been in, have Wikipedia articles about them.   D r e a m Focus  05:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * A lot of it was a repeat of what is already on the article or can't be cited, so it has been removed. And the Japanese Wikipedia is not a reliable source either and can be as full of junk as the English Wikipedia. —Farix (t &#124; c) 11:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * And is almost never sourced...Dandy Sephy (talk) 19:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is why I always chuckle when someone claims that the JP Wiki is better than the English. —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not reliable? How often does someone upload wrong information about a voice actor?  Is that a common occurrence?  Would it be possible to just tag something you doubt, and then someone who owns one of those series can then check the credits?   Lot of stuff edited out.  Would searching for the Japanese names of those series together with that of the voice actor, produce any results?  Sometimes companies list their full cast on their official websites.  Doesn't the voice actor's site list her work somewhere?  Anyone speak Japanese and feel like finding out?  Hard to navigate and look around through Google translator.   D r e a m Focus  19:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * People put up dubious information all the time in biographies, and the JP Wikipedia is just as sustainable to dubious information as the EN Wikipedia. This is why reliable sources are required for biographies of living people. If the information is viewed by an editor as dubious and is unsourced, the editor has a responsibility to remove it. And it's interesting that you are holding up a series of edits I made removing such dubious information that you had inserted as if it was some sort of "bloody shirt". —Farix (t &#124; c) 22:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't just looking for factual accuracy. Everything needs to be verifiable with reliable sources.  -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 22:54, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete This is not what i could can a "voice actor career" with just one worth mention role. Fail WP:ENTERTAINER. --KrebMarkt 07:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * She was in 11 of the 12 episodes of Dōjin Work Significant character in a notable series.  And doing some searching for the deleted things, there are many places that list her in it.  Just what's on the list now should prove notability.   D r e a m Focus  20:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:ENTERTAINER specifically requires that an actor have significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. This actress has only one significant role then their career. The rest have been bit-part with no significance at all. —Farix (t &#124; c) 22:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - From what I have seen, this actor fails WP:ENTERTAINER as well as our general inclusion guidelines. -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 22:55, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet WP:ENTERTAINER guidelines. RFerreira (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Completely fails WP:N and WP:BIO/WP:ENTERTAINER. With no significant, or even insignificant, coveage on this person, not only are they unnotable but there is no true way to create an article on Sakata that meets WP:BLP that has anything more than their name, which of course is not appropriate. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 23:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Snow Delete This makes 8, I do not see notability here as she has played very monor roles in anime. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Clearly notable, has voiced characters in notable series, contains highly reliable sources such as this, which is self-proclaimed to be "the worlds most highly trusted anime news source". That to me is an indicator of notability. Voiced a secretary in Eden of the East, Secretaries are well noted for their emotion in speaking, this voice actor should be credited for such an accomplishment and have a good article written about her obviously notable career. As for having a significant role. Who decides? Is voicing a charatcer in 11 out of 12 episodes of a notable series not good enough? We accept articles about actors who may have only had small minor roles in multiple films, even those who appear in z-lister films, so why not voice actors too if they are covered in sources which the anime project generaly regard as reliable? Whats the difference to say Yoshiko Asai who according to the anime website has only had two major roles, the rest similarly minor roles like this AFD subject? ‡ Himalayan ‡  ΨMonastery 21:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ANN Encyclopedia is not a reliable source (certainly not highly), and the Anime project does NOT consider it reliable - it is specifically listed as unreliable in the project pages and the project itself made a concerted effort to remove its use as references from GA and above articles (delisting them if no other source could be found). The ANN encyclopedia is user edited, unlike their actual news stories. Your response here is very confusing and I almost suspect it is being WP:POINTy and intended almost sarcastically because of the Runa Akiyama‎ AfD...-- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 22:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I see, There just seems a bit of a contradiction thats all. I find it hard to believe that certain individuals will claim obvious notability in one place yet reject another based on what appears to be little difference in coverage on actual TV site databases. The criteria in this case is "hasn't really had a signficant role" but that is really open to interpretation. They are still credited roles, which normally meets actor requirements so why not voice actors? Many of the project members themseleves said sources like www.81produce are reliable and indicate notability. I find it unusual that nobody is really seriously taking into account sourcing over any of these nominations and are making a decision of notability based on their own POV and self-knowledge of the subject matter. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 23:40, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The difference between what I'm saying here and discussions where I've said keep is whether any roles have been leading roles, one of the main protagonists or antagonists. These do not require "self-knowledge" of the subject matter but a consultation of the articles of the series the person acted in. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:22, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're being deliberately facetious here and completely twisting my comments at Articles for deletion/Runa Akiyama and taking them out of context. My assertion there is that Akiyama has had several significant roles in multiple series. And in accordance to the criteria at WP:ENTERTAINER We may have an article on her. Sakata, on the other hand, has only one significant role. WP:NOTE is just one possible guideline for inclusion. WP:BIO is another. A subject isn't need to have significant coverage by reliable reliable-party source if it meets one of the other inclusion criteria. If passing WP:NOTE was required for all subject, then there wouldn't need any of the subject specific criteria. —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Their most notable roles are minor and most of their work is background voices - most of these "characters" don't even have names. No prejudice against recreation should they ever become notable, but they sure aren;t now. Edward321 (talk) 00:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
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