Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivan Rabb


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep.  (non-admin closure)Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:34, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Ivan Rabb

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Has yet to play college or pro basketball, too soon. Though I do admit this will make a good page someday. Wgolf (talk) 20:17, 15 September 2014 (UTC) Withdrawn Wgolf (talk) 02:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment - The specific notability guideline for high school athletes is WP:NHSPHSATH; everyone is reminded that this is one of the rare specific notability guidelines which is intended to supersede the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG, and WP:NHSPHSATH is a tougher standard than GNG because of the usually local and often ephemeral nature of high school sports reputations. WP:NHSPHSATH specifically requires "substantial and prolonged coverage that is (1) independent of the subject and (2) clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage.  Note that the first clause would exclude all school papers and school websites that cover their sports teams and other teams they compete against.  The second clause excludes the majority of local coverage in both news sources and sports specific publications.  It especially excludes using game play summaries, statistical results, or routine interviews as sources to establish notability."  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:36, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * -Well thing is you never know what could happen once they are done with high school, he might go continue on or as far as we know he could become a doctor instead! It just seems to fall too soon. Now I'm not sure how to handle this to be honest. Wgolf (talk) 03:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That's easy, Wgolf. Either the subject satisfies the requirements of WP:NHSPHSATH or he doesn't.  If this article get deleted, and this kid is as good as some folks seem to think, the article will get re-created in a year or two.  And there's no reason why the article can't be userfied and transferred to user space in the interim.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Keeping in mind what Dirtlawyer has explained, a Google search doesn't show the substantial, independent coverage for a prolonged period of time for Ivan Rabb. There are a lot of gHits on him, yes, but those fall under WP:ROUTINE or are unreliable, bloggy-type fanboy/recruiting websites. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:44, 16 September 2014 (UTC) Nominator withdrew after more refs added; striking my vote. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Addendum – WP:TOOSOON applies here I believe. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Sorting through the recruiting sites and blogs, I do find enough National coverage about Rabb to (barely) meet the HS notability guideline: examples here and here and here. He is a very top recruit and those guys can go either way, but to me he makes it.  I wouldn't cry if this were deleted, however and the article clearly needs sources. Rikster2 (talk) 18:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - My thoughts echo those of Rikster2 immediately above. I believe that the demanding standard of WP:NHSPHSATH is satisfied by the quality and depth of the national coverage regarding the subject.  I caution everyone participating in this AfD discussion who may see this as an endorsement of articles for every high school athlete who is a big-time college recruit; it's not.  Rabb seems to have received strong coverage in the national media so far, and very few other college recruits are going to receive comparable coverage -- especially when Scout.com, Rivals.com, and the like are excluded for determining notability.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:53, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment-Well I would like some sources first to be honest though.Wgolf (talk) 22:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Wgolf, please see the three source linked in Rikster's comment above. Those are pretty solid.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * -Meant in the article sorry not in here. And the reason why I put this as a AFD was with a case of another article by the same editor where he was deleting the prod so I had to take the next step and did it here as well. (Which he deleted the AFD as well) Wgolf (talk) 22:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * When I get time I will put the three I found in. Life's just been hectic lately, but the point is sources do exist. Rikster2 (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sources Added Rikster2 (talk) 01:52, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn-thanks for the refs he seems notable enough for me, you can understand though where I'm coming from that HS players are iffy to include or not. Wgolf (talk) 02:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Very iffy, Wgolf. It was a good RfA to have; the notability standard for high school athletes is one that is satisfied very rarely.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment the nom has been withdrawn due to updated references - are you willing to change your vote to !keep so this can be speedy closed?   D u s t i *Let's talk!* 00:24, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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