Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivan Rodriguez Gelfenstein


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 13:07, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Ivan Rodriguez Gelfenstein

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Individual has insufficient notability as either an orthodontist or an owner of racehorses. Fails both GNG in general and the guidelines at WP:NHORSERACING in particular. Appears to be mostly self-promotion, mostly sourced from the business web site, and what's not from in-house sources has significant copyvio. While Blood-Horse is a RS for horse racing, this article appears to also have copyvio from the farm profile that BH did on this fellow's ranch. Montanabw (talk) 06:38, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Montanabw (talk)  06:50, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  Montanabw (talk)  06:50, 16 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - after my PROD was deleted, I researched a bit more and found the following articles which draw attention to his socialist revolutionary ties in Venezuela, raising question about where he got the money for his $20 Million TB facility, private plane, horse purchases, etc. He is referred to as an international businessman with ties to the socialist revolution in Venezuela: Bloodhorse, questions wealth, a leading buyer of stallions in 2014. Perhaps the focus should change to his notoriety as an international businessman with ties to a politically troubled socialist country.  There are quite a few more articles in Spanish than in English. Atsme 📞📧 11:37, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment If the ranch meets notability, we could write an article about it and include a section about him. White Arabian Filly  Neigh 19:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If we wanted to expand this article a little bit per, that would probably do the trick. As it sits, it's a puff piece.  The farm is probably in a similar situation; sort of on the line between notability and not.  The horses, definitely not. I have other projects so this one isn't a priority for me, but if others want to work on it, I'd be willing to withdraw the AfD once the issues are addressed.  Montanabw (talk)  02:24, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I had a little quiet time to research this a bit more hoping I'd find more articles in English than in Spanish. No luck. I think it's something we could always come back to in the future when there are more RS to utilize. As it is now, it's all just speculation so I'm ok with a delete. Atsme 📞📧 03:28, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete puff article about a non-notable ranch owner.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - yep, puffy with problematic sourcing. Atsme 📞📧 22:10, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


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