Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivan Romanov (Catholic bishop)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 20:36, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Ivan Romanov (Catholic bishop)
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no references except for the basic data, date of death in the sources contradicts the torture story Steinhfer (talk) 23:29, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
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Comment: Having looked into this regarding Romanov's predecessor, Vinkenti Peev, Checking into precedent, the question of whether RC bishops are inherently notable seems unsettled. There is a discussion of this question in the archives of WP:BIO, and past AFD discussions have fallen in both directions. In this case, if I'm reading correctly, he's an RC church in a land where Roman Catholicism is a tiny minority (currently under 1%.) As of 2004, there were a mere 34,000 members of this diocese, according to the diocese article. So we're not exactly talking the head of something huge; we wouldn't automatically list mayors of a city that size, for example. On the other hand, beatification is a form of being noted, although this only says that he was put on the path toward beatification (hence "servant of god") and not that he achieved it (which would make him "blessed")... and this was during the days of John Paul II, who beatified by the boatload. I'm still mulling my position on this one. --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Bishops of major churches are usually considered to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep and close – AfD is not for clean up. The nomination doesn't contain valid rationale for deletion, per the criterion listed at WP:DEL-REASON; instead it appears to be based upon content within the article, rather than upon the availability of reliable sources. Northamerica1000 (talk) 09:03, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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