Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivy Council (2nd nomination)


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The result was   no consensus. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 21:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Ivy Council
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Non-notable student organization with no assertion of notability apart from incorrectly-assumed inherited notability of Ivy League; no substantial coverage by reliable third party sources ; variety of issues with inappropriate unencyclopedic tone and general self-congratulatory advertising-cruft Madcoverboy (talk) 02:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ mazca  talk 17:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Regardless of who their alumni are, notability isn't transferred. I'm not seeing the notability of the org itself. The sources are the org itself, some college newspapers and something from China talking about the members getting to travel....but not about what the org is doing. Niteshift36 (talk) 07:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:ORG as written. I'll add that I've never heard of it, which is only relevant given that I'm an alum of one of the schools mentioned, suggesting that its notability within the group of people most likely to care is nil. Ray  Talk 18:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and note Disagree with failure of WP:ORG, meets requirements as charitable organization. Notability verified through published press in US, China, and Belgium. Concur with remarks on self congratulatory listing of members/officers and recommend removal of those sections only by admins. Concur that content is out of date and does not reflect additional evidence of notability since last substantively updated. The organization is reviewing the content over the next seven days and will modify as appropriate. Origniating author comments. mjh40 (talk) 26 Jun 2009
 * It sounds like you are affiliated with the org, is that correct? BTW, the Chinese reference was merely about some of the student members visiting China wasn't it? Niteshift36 (talk) 06:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read the article to completion. I wouldn't say it was "merely about some of the student members visiting China" - it was about an initiative to improve bilateral relations between U.S. and Chinese students. The effort was recognized by both the All-China Student Federation and Chinese state leaders, including Vice-Chairman of the National People's Congress Standing Committee Lu Yongxiang.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.91.239.196 (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep and trim very sharply. Normally the list of all the officers of an organization is an indication of either promotional intent, or vanity for the people listed,  or that the organization thinks itself more important than it is likely to be. There's just enough, though, to show notability. DGG (talk) 02:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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