Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Izabella Nilsson Jarvandi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. After extended time for discussion, there is a narrow but definite consensus for deletion. BD2412 T 02:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Izabella Nilsson Jarvandi
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I wish to nominate the page for Izabella Nilsson Jarvandi for deletion since I do not think it has any relevance. The given sources is monstly easily identified identifiable as tabloid and/or POV sources for right wing opinions. I have looked for sources without finding any from credible sources, and I even done a quick validation of the given sources and found them sadly lacking. The need for sources tag has been on the article for the better part of a year without anyone editing it adding any that is credible. To me it looks like this is just a page created to try to create an artificial sense of relevance to a person that is not relevant. --Grape (talk) 19:03, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete I'm from Sweden and I can't say I recognize a single one of these sources as noteworthy, and they certainly don't seem reliable. The article notes that she has "7200 followers on Twitter" which doesn't exactly inspire much confidence that she's well known or has had any impact.★Trekker (talk) 19:22, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Conservatism-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 22:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep. The sources could be better if not media self-censorship: journalists fear to be fired (to lose job). Bumbum (talk) 11:29, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's nonsense reasoning.★Trekker (talk) 14:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * She was on Russian TV-5 and this 9 min. material can be used as a source for Wikipedia . Bumbum (talk) 11:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Interviews are not very good sources, they don't usually indicate passing Wikipedia's GNG either.★Trekker (talk) 12:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * "Homosexual Adam and Eve, third-gender children: where does the illuminated Europe slides?" Looks like a tabloid, not RS. Wikisaurus (talk) 15:15, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I do not see RS in the article, and even if there are RS somewhere, article should be completely rewritten. Wikisaurus (talk) 19:43, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This article is sloppy, let’s be honest. But I don’t see a lack of notability expressed in the sources. I also don’t understand this trend of attaching Greta Thunberg’s name to every kid who has absolutely nothing to do with her subject.... Thunberg isn’t fighting alleged globalism. Jarvandi isn’t fighting inaction on climate change mitigation. (Edit:I’m not saying these sources are top notch, I’m going with WP:NEXIST.) Trillfendi (talk) 20:41, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * What sources are you seeing here that are reliable and would indicate notability?★Trekker (talk) 20:51, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The Italian press seems to care, according to the BBC. E.g. the Italian edition of [Vice Media] and the Italian edition of Huffington Post. Does Greta even know this girl is her so-called nemesis? If I called myself the anti-Miley Cyrus would anyone care? A German reporter dissects it. I won’t try to mine the Polish language references because my Polish is See Spot Run rudimentary (apparently Jarvandi opines about Poland’s anti-refugee policy?). I’ve also seen things in French and Dutch. If her claim to fame is latching on to Greta’s, it’s working, I guess. I just find myself perplexed as to what exactly she’s mad about. Trillfendi (talk) 19:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * To me the sources seem to be more about Greta, and the phenomenon of people who are upset at the attention she has recived. This girl (or her supporters) seem to be trying desperately to be noticed by association. Like I said above, I think its pretty telling that this Swedish girl has had essentially zero coverage in any Swedish news whatsoever, no one here has ever heard about her and her calim to fame is "7000 Twitter followers" yet tabloids in other countries seem to have tried to make a big deal out of it.★Trekker (talk) 20:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I already mentioned they’re not fighting the same fight. They just happen to be born 3 days apart so naturally people want to extrapolate them. A newspaper would call this a “study in contrasts”. Greta’s fervor doesn’t grant notability to anybody but herself and her movement—not to Naomi Seibt either. (Nobody cares about trivium of her Twitter follower count and that sentence can easily be discarded.) It only adds to the irony of Jarvandi’s subject that her own country doesn’t pay much attention her, but others do as BBC referred to Il Fatto Quotidiano. And by Wikipedia’s standards, that’s good enough, unfortunately. Trillfendi (talk) 16:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I think consensus is on a knife-edge here. It would be helpful if somebody could take the sources suggested by those advocating "keep", and use them in the article.
 * Weak delete. I thought I had heard of this antithesis of Thunberg. But it must have been someone else. Because when searching (mainstream) media outlets in the neighboring country - coverage of a well-known figure would have surely spilled over the border - the result was 0 hits. Not a single one. There are some Italian ones though, but are they more than blogs? Geschichte (talk) 21:54, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Most, like are blogs or something of that kind. There are mentions of Jarvandi in some books on climate, but there are probably hundreds of people mentioned, such mentions do not provide notability. I can not find a single high-quality media that wrote an article on Jarvandi. Wikisaurus (talk) 09:59, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete creating articles on minors should follow having strong sources, which we do not have here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:33, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  22:12, 15 September 2020 (UTC)


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