Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/János Kemény (the writer)


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The result was Keep and rename/cleanup.. Shell babelfish 20:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

János Kemény (the writer)

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I'm completely unclear as to what it's about. Very poorly named, uncategorised, orphaned. Rambutan (talk) 14:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Definitely needs a re-name, and a re-write, at least. Apparently, he was a baron, but that's probably not very relvant. Google search complicated by a C17th person of the same name, perhaps why the creator has seen fit to make a János Kemény disambig page. Undecided on notability so far; are published works a sign of automatic notability? --kateshortforbob 15:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. See WP:NOTE.--Rambutan (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment do we have someone who speaks Hungarian who can see if the references actually give notability? &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 17:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment What's that person going to say? "Trust me, the references are legit"? This is an English language project - if "we" can't read the refereces, then "we" can't judge them. MarkBul 19:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment So, if i paste here a list of the articles which don't have english references, you are going to delete it? (there are a few hundreds for sure) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elmao (talk • contribs) 03:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There are hundreds of thousands of foreign language references all over wikipedia, and they are still better than no references, but I agree it's not the best. Btw I can read the refs and based on them I think this Baron/writer is notable. I'd vote Keep.    Article could be half-decent with some effort. János Kemény is the correct name in English, in Hungarian it would be Kemény János, so renaming is only needed at the (the writer) part. Hobartimus 19:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Should I leave just János Kemény? .. but then how will be separated from the count or the physician? Elmao 03:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * János Kemény (writer) (without the "the"). Or with a disambiguation page or whatever way wikipedia already deals with the situation I'm sure it's pretty common so other examples should be available. Or his title (Baron) could be used somehow etc. Hobartimus 04:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ok Elmao 06:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the person: http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/bors/bors36.htm  (see 18 july 1926) Elmao 03:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, but re-name and re-write - Re-name to what?  I don't know.  This appears to be a notable Hungarian writer, but, like with a lot of non-English names, there can be confusion as to order of names and proper usage of titles. --Oakshade 06:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, and rename to János Kemény (author). --User: (talk) 17:27, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 07:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


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