Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jérôme J. Dufourg


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The result was delete. Extensive analysis of sources is only partly rebutted, and that rebuttal was in turn countered. Subject is deemed not to pass the GNG or FOOTY. Drmies (talk) 20:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Jérôme J. Dufourg

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Individual fails WP:FOOTYN as has not played in or managed in a fully professional league. Subject also fails GNG due to lack of significant reliable coverage. More concerningly, a cursory review of the article would give the impression that he has in fact been the subject of multiple articles on his achievements in African football. However, a review of these sources (which I outline individually below) shows that in the vast majority of cases either the subject is mentioned only as an individual through which quotes about an unrelated matter are conveyed or indeed do not mention him in any form whatsoever.

I have no doubt that the positions held by the subject have actually been held, what I do doubt is that there has been any genuine significant coverage about his career to a degree that would satisfy GNG.

NB - It should be noted that I have brought this straight to AfD as the article came to my notice after I had cause to block the creator (who is also the article subject) and as such I felt it appropriate to ensure there was opportunity for wider discussion on notability.

I outline here my concerns about each source provided:


 * Source 1 - Is a primary source linking to the subject's dissertation, this does not establish notability.
 * Source 2 - FIFA document providing a very brief c.v. Confirms participation on official FIFA course. No guideline indicates that graduation from this course makes a subject inherently notable. Insufficient substance to satisfy GNG.
 * Source 3 - Does not mention the subject at all.
 * Source 4 - dead link, from the article title it does not seem likely that this is a source providing significant coverage about the subject.
 * Source 5 - Contains a quote from the subject but is not actually about the subject in any way. Could not possible be considered to support GNG.
 * Source 6 - Does not mention the subject at all.
 * Source 7 - Does not mention the subject at all and is in fact the same source as source six under a different title.
 * Source 8 - Does not mention the subject at all.
 * Source 9 - Does not mention the subject at all.
 * Source 10 - Does not mention the subject at all.
 * Source 11 - Does not mention the subject at all.
 * Source 12 - contains brief quotes from the subject, but the article is explcitly about a sponsorship deal for his club and not the individual at all.
 * Source 13- contains brief quotes from the subject, but the article is explcitly about a sponsorship deal for his club and not the individual at all.
 * Source 14- contains brief quotes from the subject, but the article is explcitly about a sponsorship deal for his club and not the individual at all.
 * Source 15 - Does not mention the subject at all.
 * Source 16 - a very brief article on a charitable donation by the subject. Insufficient for GNG.
 * Source 17 - Very brief article on his sacking. Insufficient for GNG.
 * Source 18 - coverage of his appointment as marketing director. This is not a position within a football federation that makes a subject inherently notable per WP:FOOTYN. In fact this source should be disregarded in terms of notability as there are elements that are word for word identical to this enWiki article so cannot be considered a reliable secondary source.
 * Source 19 - Does not mention the subject at all.
 * Source 20 - Non-english source, but does not appear to discuss the subject at all.
 * Source 21 - contains quotes from the subject, but this source is about sponsorship of the Rwandan football federation, not the article subjectin any way. No mention of the subject work in this sponsorship deal, he is just acting as a spokesman for the federation.
 * Source 22 - medium length article on the subject's banning from Kenyan football. Could support GNG if other coverage could be found on different topics that would not be subject to WP:BLP1E.
 * Source 23 - not useful for GNG as a source written by the subject himself. Inherently unreliable.
 * Source 24 - lengthy interview with the subject, however, not suitable for GNG as the interview is not actually about the subject but on corruption in African football. Nothing of note is said about the individual himself.
 * Source 25 - Does not mention the subject at all.
 * Source 26 - not useful for GNG as a source written by the subject himself. Inherently unreliable. In fact this is a potentially libellous article containing a number of very serious allegations and should probably be removed from enWiki anyway.
 * Source 27 - contains quotes from the subject but these are about alleged corruption by a Kenyan football official, they do not provide any significant information about the subject that could support GNG. Fenix down (talk) 12:20, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Fenix down (talk) 12:22, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - In anticipation of debate that may occur, it should be noted that the article creator Didje83 is the subject of the article, as can be confirmed here. Fenix down (talk) 12:35, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - I could agree with you on your concerns with the sources and something can definitely be done to improve on that, but the subject of the article is notable enough in my opinion. He's worked at a professional football club and currently at Rwanda's football association, and has been a board member of the Kenya Footballers Welfare Association, which is the Kenyan equivalent of the Professional Footballers' Association. Jérôme de Bontin, the current GM of the New York Red Bulls, also holds a BA in Economics and has held similar positions to Jérôme Dufourg in different organisations, so I don't see how this article is any different in that sense. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 14:17, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - but he didn't work at a FULLY professional football club, so that doesn't make him inherently notable per WP:FOOTYN. Why does being on the board of the KFWA make him inherently notable? Where is the coverage of his actions in this role that would show GNG? How is he comparable to Jérôme de Bontin? That individual has held senior board positions at a number of fully professional clubs. There is nothing in his career that makes him inherently notable by any guideline, so we are reliant on GNG and as I have shown, almost nothing in the article actually mentions the subject. Can you show additional sources not currently included that show GNG? Fenix down (talk) 14:29, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - I would imagine holding a senior position in a nation's topmost trade union for footballers (professional and otherwise) would make him inherently notable, but that's just my opinion. Anyway, Source 1 and Source 2 are interviews he's had with independent sources that cover/include his personal experience in the positions he's held in Kenya and Rwanda as well as other issues related to football, though not necessarily on his personal life. They are definitely secondary sources, definitely provide significant coverage, are reliable (in my opinion; the sources have never been known to produce libel or copy info from other sources) are independent of the subject, and I have reason to believe they're presumed. Couldn't find sources that cover his time with KEFWA though, so a "Citation needed" would probably apply there. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 15:15, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - See this is the problem, in both those interviews, theres is nothing about, him that could really be added to the article, one is about corruption in Kenyan football and the other is about the Rwandan football association. Where are the sources that discuss him specifically? I can't find any. Also not sure how your comment about him being notable because he held a position in a supposedly important trade union with your inability to find any sources detailing his actions whilst in that post hangs together! Fenix down (talk) 15:20, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - no evidence of notability; furthermore this is a promotional article created by an editor who had admitted to being a colleague of the subject. GiantSnowman 17:37, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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