Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Júlia Székely


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 05:19, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Júlia Székely

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NN musician and writer. Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:NAUTHOR. UtherSRG (talk) 12:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  14:10, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Bands and musicians, Women,  and Hungary. UtherSRG (talk) 12:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - I have some familiarity with Hungarian music and the language, but via more targeted searches all I can find on Ms. Székely are basic directory entries that say little more than what is in this article. She studied with Bartók, found some work as a concert musician and piano instructor, wrote some books that appear to all be out of print. Unless an expert on both the language and classical music of Hungary can dig up some old but reliable sources, there is not much to work with here. Despite having a connection with one famous musician and getting some books published in her time, Ms. Székely seems to have been an honest but ordinary working person like everyone else, and therefore not notable enough for an encyclopedic article. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Doomsdayer520,
 * Thank you for your research.
 * I originally created this article 10 years ago after reading one of Székely's novels (in its French translation). I thought it odd that she didn't have an article on Wikipedia and wished to include her so that other people could be aware of her work. I had actually borrowed the book from a regular library in Paris, without looking for particularly old writers. This translation was published in 2005, which I find rather recent for an early 20th-century Hungarian writer.
 * That being said, I don't feel I have sufficient knowledge of Hungarian culture to argue whether this person is notable enough for an encyclopedia article. Enqueror (talk) 18:46, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Was unable to find anything, but the Wikilibrary is acting up. If new sources appear please ping me.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 08:07, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Pinging per your request based on new sources below and requests for clearer consensus. &mdash;siro&chi;o 08:30, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * An actual ping. UtherSRG (talk) 11:34, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:ANYBIO#3 and her her entry in the Magyar életrajzi lexikon (Hungarian Bibliographical Dictionary). I'm surprised it's so hard to find any information about this author. She's got about 50 publications listed at WorldCat, and many of them are widely held at libraries around the world, including at the British Library, the Library of Congress, Columbia University, and UCLA. This suggests (but does not prove) that her collective body of work is significant or well-known. I'm suspicious that, because she worked mainly in Hungarian and before the internet era, the necessary sources may be off-line and hard to find. pburka (talk) 16:35, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Addendum: It's not much, and I don't read Hungarian, but I think this 1978 newspaper has a brief review(?) of her biography of Beethoven. pburka (talk) 17:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Passes ANYBIO as listing in national biographical dictionary. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 12:55, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep I'm willing to give it a pass, based on the Biographical Dictionary and the newspaper as above. Oaktree b (talk) 14:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 07:26, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: She has a page on the Hungarian Wikipedia: Székely Júlia (zongoraművész).I don't know Hungarian, and I'm not certain I want to use Google Translate to copy information over. Also, I'm noticing a lot of the references are for an ancestry website. Can someone familiar with Hungarian help out with this? DOOMSDAYER, perhaps? Significa liberdade (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The Hungarian page has a more precise history of her professional life, with a mention of first joining a symphony in 1929, some major productions that she was in, and then her transition to teaching and writing. It's not very well supported; as one example, the statement "her 1939 novel The Flying Mouse proved to be a great success" has no reliable source. Concerning the progress of this AfD, I already voted to delete but I have no dispute if things turn out otherwise. I simply don't find a dry list of someone's jobs to be very encyclopedic. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:29, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Adding on to all of the above, Google Scholar turns up a decent amount of citations for humanities of that era, including
 * citation re Beethoven
 * citation re Bartok
 * another re Bartok
 * &mdash;siro&chi;o 07:58, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. WP:ANYBIO is met, as explained above by User:pburka. CT55555 (talk) 01:30, 7 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.