Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jürgen Kießling


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Jürgen Kießling

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WP:BIO1E. Apparently did nothing except commit suicide after the 2006 World Cup, and we needed four sources for this. Ten years later, no further information. MSJapan (talk) 01:16, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:13, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:13, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, one event, no further coverage. If this page should survive AfD, it will also need history merging from Jeurgen Kiessling, but of course this and other redirects should just be deleted. —Kusma (t·c) 09:46, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I admit that this article, as written, looks bad. But Berlin is a state of Germany in its own right, which makes the subject a state legislator who cleanly passes NPOL #1. And while I'm not able to read German and hence not able to directly aid in cleaning this up, a simple Google search plainly reveals that media coverage of him in his legislative role does exist before his death — I'm finding hits dated 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 — which means that the sourcing necessary to fix this does exist. Keep, and flag for cleanup. Never mind, I appear to have misunderstood the phrase "representative of the Berlin Senate" — which is certainly ambiguous, and can mean a serving senator. But following Kusma's comment below I ran some of the articles through Google Translate, and it does indeed appear that the guy was a bureaucrat appointed by the Senate rather than a representative in the Senate. That changes this to not enough to warrant an article, because civil servants do not automatically pass a Wikipedia inclusion guideline the way elected politicians do. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 02:49, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think he was ever a state legislator. I understand that he was the leader of the sports office of the Berlin government for quite some time (as an employee of the city government), and had media mentions in the context of the World Cup and probably in the context of Berlin's attempts to host Olympic Games. This is an article mentioning him before his death; the football team he played for (in the 50s? 60s?), Wacker 04 Berlin was not professional at the time he played there as far as I can tell. —Kusma (t·c) 13:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * My apologies, looks like I misunderstood the phrase "representative of the Berlin Senate". Bearcat (talk) 14:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- a non-notable spokesperson who, sadly, committed suicide. This does not make him notable. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


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