Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jüri Jevdokimov


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Fails WP:NSPORT as he has not played in a fully professional league. The WP:IAR arguments don't cut it, as discussion elsewhere has shown that a significant contingent believe that our athlete notability criteria are actually too permissive. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:58, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Jüri Jevdokimov

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Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


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 * Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 00:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Professional player in professional team, very talented and only 22. He is also one national team candidate. Probably gets to professional league this year (or atleast next year) as Nõmme Kalju is selling him. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Under WP:NSPORT playing for a professional team is insufficient, to establish notability. A player must play in a fully pro league, which the Estonian league is not. The rest of the above comment is in violation of WP:CRYSTAL. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:17, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just saying that he deserves an article. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Any subject that is not notable, does not merit an article, and your comment has not demonstrated Mr. Jevdokimov's notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand and know the rules, but I don't agree with them, Estonian league is not fully-professional, but there are some players, who are professional and are worth an article. So I'm requeting to keep the article. Thank you. Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case it is up to you to demonstrate that the player passes WP:GNG, which you have not done. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm going to say Keep because while he doesn't play in a fully pro league, the Meistriliiga is the highest level of football in Estonia. Also, looking at his club's roster, nearly every player on the team has article.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As with the previous comment, please explain how this makes him notable. As for your WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS comment, I should point out that every player on that squad that doesn't explicitly meet WP:NSPORT (i.e. has played in a fully pro league or for the estonian national team) has been PROD'ed at some point or another. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:06, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As to my point regarding Meistriliiga, since it's the highest level of football in his home country, he shouldn't be disqualified from notability for playing in a semi-professional league. The team itself is professional, and players often choose to play in their home country instead of more prestigious leagues.  After doing a little Google searching, I found a site called Transfermarkt that estimates his transfer value as 220,000 Pounds.  He's also second in the league in goal scoring currently!  While certainly not star value on a European level, he is valued as a skilled professional footballer by the wider football community.--Johnsemlak (talk) 21:09, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you're missing the point. The guidelines as to what subjects are and are not notable have been very clearly laid out. He does not meet WP:NSPORT. I think we can all agree on that. Therefore, in order to be he must have significant coverage in reliable sources per WP:N. If you, or someone else can provide show that he has received significant coverage, I'd be more than willing to withdraw the nomination. Without it, however, this article cannot be justified under Wikipedia policy. Regarding you're source, while Transfermarkt's database is usually accurate, it is not a reliable source by Wikipedia standards since it is user edited. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I certainly don't agree that he doesn't meet WP:NSPORT, and I've outlines my reasons above. It may be that he doesn't strictly meet certain quoted requirements ('fully professional league') but WP:SPORT is just a guideline,  not policy and it should be applied with common sense.  He plays on a professional team and is its leading scorer, and is the second leading scorer in Estonia.  He plays at the highest level possible in his home country.  If he were a minor player on such a team I would agree but clearly he is an important player to his team.  In my opinion he meets WP:NSPORT  I'll concede that the Transmarkt source is not reliable by WP's standards, however I still regard it is evidence of the player's professional credentials.  In any event I believe the player's accomplishments thus far are notable by themselves.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - regardless of whether the league he plays in is notable or not, he fails WP:GNG. J Mo 101 (talk) 16:45, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - It's been around two years since I have been to an afd nom and, sadly, I see little progress. Not that I believe that this article is particularly valuable to the project, but the general trend of adhering to guidelines over common sense is worrying. Meanwhile, could someone please update me on the process of obtaining notability though domestic and European cups? Ban  Ray  23:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
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