Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. Alan Groves


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The result was keep. John254 01:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

J. Alan Groves

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No documentation of notability, and I couldn't find any by searching. Fl e x (talk/contribs) 20:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Multiple mentions when I searched for his name using Google Scholar. Less compelling are a couple of things found with Google News: a small town newspaper's profile and a 351-word obit in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Beyond that, I think the computer work he did is significant, I found hundreds of mentions using Google Scholar when I searched for Groves Wheeler Morphology. -- A. B. (talk)
 * Question: What do you think of creating an article for the Hebrew Morphology he helped create? That is what seems to be notable, not the man. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 13:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Response -- I'm open to this, however I think we need to see where this AfD goes. I don't know whether we're talking about a common article or two separate articles. Also, so much of the stuff I found with Google Scholar I either don't understand or is unaccessible to me behind paywalls, so someone more knowledgeable would need to write it up --perhaps a theologian or even a linguist. I'm thinking of seeking help with this and I am leaving you a note on your talk page about this. -- A. B. (talk) 14:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletions, list of Academics and educators-related deletions, and list of Social science-related deletions. A notice has also been left on the WikiProject Linguistics talk page -- A. B. (talk) 14:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Full professor at a leading mainstream theological school; the extent of the citation in GS show that he is a hghly respected scholar . DGG (talk) 03:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: But the article has no independent sources vouching for the man's notability. It seems clear to me that the Groves-Wheeler Hebrew Morphology is influential and deserves coverage, but I don't see enough verifiable material to cover than man himself. The results on Google Scholar include one review by Groves of a database of Biblical texts, but, AFAICT (and I can't see the ones behind the pay wall), the rest are mainly thanks and acknowledgments in others' scholarly works or passing references to his morphology. These don't qualify him as notable, and neither does merely being a professor at a seminary. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 15:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Notability (academics). I think in combination with DGG's comment, this pretty much cinches this one. -- A. B. (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 15:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * PS, Having said that, I suggest keeping the AfD open for now in case there's any more discussion of Flex' idea about an article on Groves' morphology. I tried to cast a wide net via deletion sorting lists and (neutral) Wikiproject notices looking for help. -- A. B. (talk) 15:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the last paragraph under WP:PROF and the section WP:PROF apply here (at least, I haven't seen anything to the contrary yet). Thus, I suggest we create Groves-Wheeler morphology and have a (verifiable) bit about Groves and Wheeler in there. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 16:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the sources already in the article, while they did not establish notability, are reliable for the purposes of building an article. -- A. B. (talk) 16:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and I still think my previous suggestion is the best course of action. --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 16:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


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