Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. B. Rainsberger


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result wasKeep Capitalistroadster 07:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

J. B. Rainsberger

 * – (View AfD) (View log)


 * Weak delete. Reads like an ad. He wrote a top-selling programming book, but I don't think that makes someone notable.  Thought I would put it here for the techier people to decide. Calliopejen1 03:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep, with a recommendation for cleanup. The subject matter of the book is also fairly recondite. Sjc 04:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment For practitioners of agile development, the subject matter of his book is highly important. For non-agile Java programmers it is often quite important.  I certainly wouldn't call it "recondite". BTW: recondite ' s a great word, being an example of its own meaning, but that doesn't mean I'd ever consider using it in a real situation.  Just saying. JulesH 08:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless verified through attribution to independent sources. The accomplishment of writing the top-selling book on a topic in which there are perhaps a dozen or two competitors is pretty narrow. It did list first on Amazon (search term: "junit java", rank order "bestselling"; first book with JUnit in title) but I found a book or two with very comparable sales ranks (60,000 for those counting). We'd really need a reliable source to show WP:BK passage. --Dhartung | Talk 06:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I've added a link to a review of the book in an important reliable source. Do you think that helps? JulesH 08:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote changed to weak keep on the basis of the award, recognition by peers. Attribution remains of low quality, though. --Dhartung | Talk 20:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Rainsberger is a leading member of the agile development community, as his receipt of the first Gordon Pask Award (the only noteworthy award given for contributions to agile development) shows. His book is the standard work on its subject. JulesH 07:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Even if the book is notable as a reference work, does that make its author notable? I'm not that familiar with the relevant policies. Also, the IEEE "standard reference" quote is not exactly disinterested, considering he works for them. Calliopejen1 14:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably not individually, but along with the award, it is more than enough, IMO. JulesH 15:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally if we are to choose between a book and an author I will choose the author almost every time. An author is likely to have another book. A book is not likely to have another author. This prevents needless article proliferation. --Dhartung | Talk 20:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BIO (unless you can provide references to several "secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject") and per WP:NOTINHERITED (the fact that the book is notable doesn't guarantee notability for the author). In this case, the book itself doesn't seem to have an article either, so I see no reason why the author should.  The book is included in the list of references at at JUnit, so I see no need for further articles about it or it's author. &mdash;gorgan_almighty 12:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Joe Rainsberger is well-known in the Agile development community and speaks at conferences around the world. I'm amazed that this article would be considered for deletion when there is so much pop-culture fluff that is not.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.