Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. Cafesin


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The result was   delete. JohnCD (talk) 14:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

J. Cafesin

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Despite one novel in the Number 1 sales slot for a subgenre on Amazon for one month, I don't find that this person meets the notability criteria at WP:GNG or WP:BIO, in particular WP:AUTHOR. The article's creator removed a PROD tag, stating that the novel "introduc[es] material never before written in literary fiction. This is noted over and over again in the reviews". But I don't see these reviews. The article claims two firsts, one being that one novel has the first explicit depiction of the sexual assault of a man in an "American literary genre novel" (and what is a "literary genre" novel? as opposed to a genre-less novel?), which seems false or, at least, unverifiable, and the other being that another novel is the first to give a first-person perspective of a person surrounding the time of the Rodney King incident, which doesn't strike me as groundbreaking. —Largo Plazo (talk) 20:39, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, there was "Also exclusive to this novel is the use of both third and first person in present tense throughout the work, noted by reviewers as a unique and original writing technique." No indication is given of which reviewers these are, but they are wrong about mixing persons. See In a Strange Room by Damon Galgut, Of Beasts and Beings by Ian Holding, as well as several online discussions on the subject, and, and Narrative mode. I'd have to go back to the ones I've read to see if they were in the present tense or not, but to get as restrictive as "mixing persons in the present tense" seems like another instance of going to greath lengths to define the field narrowly enough to conclude that it has no other members. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:14, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete I'd call this one WP:TOOSOON. The author has written 3 books, one of which was the top of the Amazon "free books" list at one moment in time. (It's a bit of a stretch to call that a "bestseller" - it wasn't being sold.) I can find no non-fan-blog resources about the author or the books. This author may be off to a good start, but an actual "seller" bestseller seems to be as yet un-achieved, and the literary world (writ large) has not yet weighed in. Let's give it some time. LaMona (talk) 01:13, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 02:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)



Called a 'novel memoir,'[by whom?]. If you read the next line, it defines this--"The author coined the phrase..." The article does not say "American literary fiction novel" as indicated. It says: "American literary genre novel," which is a specific genre--Literary Fiction, as it does not fall under any other genre heading. Suggestion of "genre-less" is incorrect, as today's fiction is referred to by genre. Additionally, noted by many reviewers as "a unique," and "no fluff" read, Reverb's original prose style--void of most articles and pronouns, was written to read like a string of texts for today's reader, according to the author. Disconnected offers a completely new perspective on a major recent historical event, an intimate view of the poverty of the illegal Latino population just 22 yrs ago in Los Angeles, and though may not be groundbreaking to you, readers get a view not seen before, chronicling the disparity between the White, Latino and Black populations not present heretofore in fiction. The author has received several very favorable nods from notable book blogs, such as Night Owl Reviews: http://www.nightowlreviews.com/V5/Reviews/Diana-Coyle-reviews-Reverb-by-J-Cafesin, and The Book Wheel: http://www.thebookwheelblog.com/reverb-j-cafesin/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjfera (talk • contribs) 22:04, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * "Literary genre novel" is nonsense. A literary genre is a type of literature: romance, historical, detective, political, etc. "Literary genre novel" is like "Canine breed dog". —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:43, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - we'd see much more prominent reviews if this were notable. Bearian (talk) 15:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete – Author has not received WP:Significant coverage outside of her own website. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 01:10, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
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