Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. D. Perrin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. WjBscribe 15:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

J. D. Perrin

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No assertion of notability, also note definite COI by a family member/lineal descendant). Some of the WP articles on individuals or organizations mentioned in this piece to attempt to assert notability were either created by the same user (User:J._D._Perrin), like Winnipeg Warriors (minor pro), J. D. (Jack) Perrin, Jr., Sgt. William Perrin, and San Antonio Gold Mine, or have no mention of him despite being long-term articles Western Hockey League (minor pro).  This will be a bundled AfD. MSJapan 18:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I am also listing these pages for NN (and please note COI) - they seem to exist only to support this article's supposed notability, especially the individuals - they were clearly not notable on their own.




 * Delete on autobigraphical, coi, and notability concerns. -- Diletante 19:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete these people have almost as much notability as some of the Mississippi politicians we've been seeing at AfD the last few days. This is not intended as an argument for keeping this article,  but  as a suggestion that we  keep a  skeptical eye on local history articles of the obituary type. Now that we know the genre a little better, its time we started looking for the others.DGG 21:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. --Dhartung | Talk 22:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete based on notability - no secondary sources cited to establish. Could be re-created in the future if secondary sources exist and are cited. MastCell Talk 00:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete no way to verify any of this information to establish notability. Jehochman (Talk/Contrib) 15:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hang on. I originally checked your information on the Winnipeg Warriors and found you had the wrong team ( a junior team by the same name from the 1980's ) linked to the minor pro Western Hockey League. I created the Winnipeg Warriors (minor pro) page and linked it to the correct league as well as to the Winnipeg Arena, where again your article had been incorrect. You have many notable sports and business figures in your encyclopedia. The Perrins certainly qualify on both counts in Canada. I know you require references, of which there are many, but I'm not sure how to present them. I'm not even sure I'm making these comments in the right place! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.200.6.123 (talk • contribs) 2007-04-09 14:03:41
 * Simply cite sources to demonstrate that our WP:BIO criteria are satisfied. Uncle G 13:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I would have speedy deleted it, but as it has got this far I will wait for consensus. Clearly non-notable.--Anthony.bradbury 16:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree with you, but I wanted to make sure all the articles were covered. Part of the deletion rationale is that they were all created by the same user to refer to each other, and that wouldn't necessarily have been clear from multiple speedys, IMO. MSJapan 17:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Mississippi politicians aside, you've got all sorts of people from Manitoba in your encyclopedia who are to varying degrees less notable than the Perrins, who have been the subject of countless news stories in Manitoba over the years, in mining, sports, philanthropy, and hotels.
 * Comment: Then why could I not find a single Google hit on the main search or on the news search to support any of those claims? The only hits I got were for this article and a Manitoba document with one sentence stating that Perrin owned the gold mine in 1919.  More importantly, you (because I'm going to guess you're the article creator editing under an IP) can't just say he's notable, you need to assert it with sources, and not your own personal recollections, either. You also can't hangon tag an AfD.  Please read the policies before making contributions next time. MSJapan 20:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Various published references have been added. More to come.

Comment: I don't think the article about the Winnipeg Warriors WHL hockey team that is one of the tagged articles in this group should be deleted. I am fairly new to the Wikipedia thing but my interest is in minor hockey. I have done a few stubs on minor league ice hockey teams and their history, and while it is admittedly only interesting to those who care about minor pro hockey, those who do care realize that the old WHL really was a pretty big deal in its time and thus is notable enough to warrant articles on the individual WHL teams. I really have no opinion on the local Winnipeg personalities that are the subject of the other articles tagged in this group, so delete them if you want, but the team itself was notable. I thought I would try to help and added a meaningful outside source, a couple of external links, uploaded the team logo, tried to improve the on the history section based on what I found in the sources, and tried to improve the formatting. I hope it helps enough to save the article.

Also, before this Winnipeg Warriors article was written, the Warriors link in the list of teams on the WHL (minor pro) page linked to the major junior team of the same name that existed much later after the original WHL team was gone. Gtgrant 05:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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