Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. Kenneth Grider


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The result was   no consensus. Jayjg (talk) 02:23, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

J. Kenneth Grider

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Delete. Theologian with no apparent notability. JBsupreme ( talk ) 15:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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 * Comment. He wrote several article for the Evangelical Theology Evangelical Dictionary of Theology (Arminianism, Forgiveness, Glorification, Heaven and Hannah Whitall Smith) but these are not listed on Google scholar. His top work there (A Wesleyan-Holiness Theology) is cited only 22 times. His obituary at Nazarene Theological Seminary ought to be cited in the article. StAnselm (talk) 01:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I do not yet have a firm opinion about keeping or deleting the article, but the claim (though unreferenced) in the article that he was on the English translation committee for New International Version of the Bible (which, as I understand it, one of the main English translations of the Bible) gives me some pause. There is an obituary about him at the Nazarene Theological Seminary website as well as a news-release there about his death. The obituary file mentions several honors: an honorary Doctor of Divinity degree in 1991 from Olivet Nazarene University, and a named lecture series named after him there, established in 1999, as well as the the Lifetime Achievement Award of the Wesleyan Theological Society. I was able to find an independent verification of the latter: vol 34 (1999), no. 2 of Wesleyan Theological Journal (the full content of this volume is available here). Editor's Introduction, on p. 5, mentions that he received the award in March 1999 at the annual meeting of the Wesleyan Theological Society. There is also a biographical article about him, Tribute to J. Kenneth Grider by Paul M. Bassett, pp. 281-286 in that volume. I am not sure if this is sufficient for establishing notability (plus I am not sure if one should be using WP:PROF or WP:BIO in a case like this), but it does suggest that a closer look is needed. Nsk92 (talk) 01:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. The careful researches of Nsk92 incline me to keep. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Keep Per Nsk92's research. This may be Kansas City Star obit, or just a death notice. There's enough on him in the sources given for WP:BIO. According to New International Version, there were only 15 on the translation committee of this major work, good evidence of notability if the claim can be sourced.John Z (talk) 06:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep -- both membership of the NIV translation commitee and having been given a lifetime achievement award suggest notability. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't think we can sat Grider was a member of the NIV translation committee. There is a list here which lists 15 members of the committee, together with 104 people involved in the translation. Grider is one of the latter group. StAnselm (talk) 09:25, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
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