Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. L. Verma


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The result was keep. North America1000 20:01, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

J. L. Verma

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Unreferenced article about someone who may meet notability as a politician. Am unable to find anything to confirm notability though (possibly due to language barrier). Amortias (T)(C) 17:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not speak Hindi although when searching his name as झुन्नी लाल वर्मा which is his name in Hindi there seem to be relevant results but I am not sure. It would be very useful if we could get someone who speaks Hindi. He seems to be more notable as an author than as a politician though. Snood1205 (talk) 17:43, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * If the article is correct, then he passes WP:POLITICIAN as a member of both a provincial legislature and a state assembly. postdlf (talk) 18:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Week Keep The author may have WP:COI. He has authored 2 more pages that are related to J L Verma and interlinked. One of the pages is WP:CSD tagged is now WP:CSD deleted. The article makes claims for which references are not given. But the subject may meet WP:NPOL.Sulabhvarshney (talk) 18:29, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Clearly passes WP:POLITICIAN if correct. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:42, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The article definitely needs a major rewrite and some actual reliable sourcing, but the claim of notability — member of a state legislature — is definitely there under WP:NPOL. However, it's important to be aware that there have been articles created which claimed that the topic served in a state or provincial or federal legislature, which actually turned out to be outright WP:HOAXes when somebody went looking for improved sources. So we don't keep such an article based on the claim that they served in a legislature — we keep it based on the sourcing that can be provided to verify the claim that they served in a legislature. So keep if a source can be located — our sources don't have to be in English, so if a Hindi speaker can help out then by all means go for it — but move to draftspace to allow time for further research if it can't. Bearcat (talk) 17:09, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment http://rajkamalprakashan.com/default/jmproducts/filter/index/?author=447 says सी.पी. एंड बरार विधानपरिषद के सदस्य आदि पदों को सुशोभित किया। which indicates that he was member of Legislative Council of Central Provinces and Berar. It does not indicate year in office. However there are no other sources, and the article is likely to remain in a biased voice as not much information is available to be added with references.Sulabhvarshney (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Week delete unless sources can be found. I don't consider the publisher page an independent, reliable source.  I think he was a member, thus notable, but there needs to be sources.   There are also factual problems in the article such as "under Governor E. Raghvendra Rao."  Only the British were governor's in the 1920's and 1930's during the time of the Central Provinces & of the Berar Assembly.  Rao was a member of that assembly.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:37, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95  Talk  17:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC) J. L. Verma was MLC in Old CP and Berar and E. raghvendra Rao was Governor. At that time in British India this post of Governor used to exist, it is like present chief minister. Madhya Pradesh state assembly mentioned all his contributions in the proceedings of 27 August 1981 such as freedom movement, Saugor University, etc. mentioned. If required documental evidance can be provided. He was the founder of Damoh degree college and JL Verma Law college of Damoh about which is mentioned in wikipedia Damoh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verma.abby (talk • contribs) 14:17, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Very clear passes the notability guidelines for politicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:53, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - per JPLambert. Carrite (talk) 12:59, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep this source confirms his membership in the Legislative Council in 1936. this source says that Verma was elected in December 1933 unopposed to fill the vacancy in the LC caused by the death of G. S. Singhai, in the Damoh district non-Muhammadan rural constituency. Both sources spell "Jhunnilal" (one word). Kraxler (talk) 18:13, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


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