Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. Math


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro (talk) 03:36, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

J. Math

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Insufficient indication of notability. The only proven claim to fame is that he's part of Street Radio (although I also have some questions about the notability of that subject, but that's another discussion), but notability is not inherited; J. Math needs to be notable in his own right to have an article. Nothing else in this article has any references to back it up, and even if it did, it wouldn't do that much to indicate notability. The only potentially good source currently on this article is the Vibe Magazine mention; however, I actually looked up the August 2008 issue of Vibe, and Street Radio gets only the briefest of brief mentions in that issue (page 46) -- certainly not enough to indicate notability. I did some thorough searching but I really couldn't find any other credible/verifiable sources indicating that J. Math might be notable. Iago Qnsi (talk) 04:17, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * FYI, I've also started an AfD for the related article Street Radio. - Iago Qnsi (talk) 04:40, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:18, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:18, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

KEEP Page has been updated with many new sources and information regarding the issues raised above. J. Math's main point of notability is that as a songwriter for notable artists like 50 Cent, Wu-Tang Clan, Cam'ron, Rick Ross, Wu-Tang Clan, Styles P, and many more. He is credited as such on multiple major label albums that have placed on Billboard charts internationally, which I have updated the page with. He is also credited as such for the RIAA gold certified album "Strength and Loyalty" by Bone Thugs-n-Harmony.

Another point of notability is that he often is credited with other roles, specifically A&R and mixing engineer, and has been integrally involved with many major label or notable independent label releases, including 2Pac, Wu-Tang Clan, and Styles P. I updated the page with these credits and included many online sources, while using the liner notes from these albums to confirm. I also found interviews with J. Math and included a couple quotes regarding the development of these albums.Kairaba (talk) 05:22, 31 October 2016 (UTC)Kairaba  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: Fails WP:MUSBIO and WP:GNG. Anup   [Talk]  02:44, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SpinningSpark 23:23, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

KEEP I'm not sure why above user thinks the subject of this article fails WP:MUSBIO. This notability standard clearly states that "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:" and then it lists 12 different points of notability. The article says someone may be notable if they meet at least 1 criteria, and I have shown that the subject of the article meets at least 4 of those 12. I will list them and their satisfactions here for convenience.

1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself - I referenced an article from Vibe Magazine which is entitled "Reasons why hip-hop isn't dead". That article goes on to list only 5 notable producers/composers of which J. Math is one. - I referenced an a full page article in Scratch Magazine that significantly covers J. Math by name as well as some history around his career. - I referenced a hiphopdx.com article that heavily reference and quotes J. Math. - I referenced a sohh.com article that heavily reference and quotes J. Math.

2. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. - I updated the page with Billboard charts (Top 200, Hot 100) that list J. Math as a composer on at least 5 different songs by notable artists, such as 2Pac, Wu-Tang Clan, and G-Unit.

3. Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country. - I updated the page to reflect that J. Math is listed as a composer on the RIAA gold certified album "Strength and Loyalty" by Bone Thugs-n-Harmony.

11. Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. - J. Math is listed as a composer on G-Unit's "I Like The Way She Do It", which was in heavy rotation on national radio and the music video aired regularly on MTV. Kairaba (talk) 16:51, 21 November 2016 (UTC)Kairaba Duplicate keep !voye. Struck off Nordic   Nightfury  10:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete While Kairaba's has added sources to demonstrate that music the article subject has contributed to is certainly notable, not every contributor to a (for example) #95 single inherits notability from that contribution. If there was significant coverage in WP:RS of this artist himself, as opposed to the projects he's worked on, then I would agree with keeping it.  Kairaba is obviously a fan, and there's nothing wrong with fans creating articles about the subjects of their fandom (this would be a rather sparse project without those contributions, after all) but there is a reason for the notability guidelines.Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:41, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as trivial and unconvincing and in fact blatant advertising in both information and sources, regardless of any "hopeful improvements" because there are in fact none. SwisterTwister   talk  07:31, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment, you are allowed only one vote. Nordic   Nightfury  10:07, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - while Kairaba's efforts are laudable, this simply does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC.  Onel 5969  TT me 17:45, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


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