Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. P. Anderson


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The result was no consensus. slakr \ talk / 08:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

J. P. Anderson

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Lots of WP:ROUTINE sources, but nothing that seems to meet WP:GNG. Also fails WP:NHOCKEY by not playing in a high enough league or for long enough (90 games req. for AHL goalies), no major awards (2nd-team All Star in a Major Junior is highest), and no senior national team appearances (junior level only at U17 tournament). Yosemiter (talk) 20:09, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark (talk) 20:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 03:56, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet the inclusion criteria for hockey players.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:49, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom. Backup goaltender in the mid-minors, superficially heavily honored, but nothing in fact that meets any notability criteria, whether that of NHOCKEY or anything else.   Ravenswing   08:21, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - I was about to vote delete for not satisfying NHOCKEY (even though I would not regard 2nd team all-star as superficial or minor it does not satsify NHOCKEY) and I wasn't originally finding much coverage. But then I found some articles:, ,  and .  And I found this, which while not great coverage on Anderson himself states that he holds (or held) a significant OHL record.  So I think he makes the bar. Rlendog (talk) 20:46, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If anyone wants to vet those sources as non-routine coverage (the THW one seems the most "secondary," at least here as it is not a local-ish paper like the others you listed) I would be fine with retracting my nomination. I also address my concerns on his "most OHL wins" record below and why I find it questionable to grant notability based on that. Yosemiter (talk) 03:55, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Local coverage is not inherently precluded from being significant or secondary coverage, but in any case I would not regard the Toronto Star as local coverage given its wide reach, even if they were covering a player in a nearby city. That is hardly a local newsletter doing a "local boy makes good" story.  My point about most OHL wins was a little more subtle than suggesting that it makes him notable.  It was more that I am treating that story as an element of significant coverage of Anderson even though it does not deal with him directly in detail, because it is coverage of an achievement that has some significance.  And while I agree that setting a record for games or wins is not the personal goal of a typical OHL player, achieving such a record still elevates him in a manner that is different from the many OHL players who stayed in the OHL longer than they may have wanted without setting a record for it, and gives him some significance within the context of the history of the OHL itself. Rlendog (talk) 15:36, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I found this, which doesn't supply a huge amount of information but is specifically about Anderson and definitely not local. Rlendog (talk) 15:55, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep He does indeed hold the all-time OHL record for wins. I am not sure how much of an honour it is though, it seems rather difficult to assess whether this distinction is particularly notable itself.18abruce (talk) 21:52, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I saw that and questioned it myself. But then I saw he also has played the most OHL games of all goaltenders (Is that an accomplishment in a Major Junior league where the goal is to move on to the pro leagues?) and is seventh most in losses. At best, it seemed that he was an above average goalie with longevity. Currently, the NHOCKEY criteria for the Major Juniors is First team and top ten scorers. I am not sure if there would be goalie equivalent, but it could be either wins or save percentage. Yosemiter (talk) 03:55, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Looking at the list of the other goalies that he passed to be number 1, they are not exactly distinguished. I think it is more relevant whether he meets GNG or not.18abruce (talk) 21:44, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947  07:59, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. He does hold the all-time OHL record for wins, and, per Rlendog, above, there are some sources available. Ejgreen77 (talk) 16:28, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


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