Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JJS Karate Dojo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Jack and Jill School. Spartaz Humbug! 19:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

JJS Karate Dojo

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Non-notable karate school with conflict of interest present as well. CyberGhostface (talk) 04:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please consider the changes I've made... Thankz a lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjskarate (talk • contribs) 05:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the article can survive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.55.230.241 (talk) 08:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 *  Delete  Non-notable school. A Google search returns only 6 results, all of which are from Wordpress, Flickr, or Wikipedia. There are no sources in a Google News Archive search either. The references listed in the article are all from websites affiliated with this school. The only exception is a link to a government website that doesn't even mention this school. For a karate school to merit inclusion on Wikipedia, it must have coverage in third-party, reliable sources. Cunard (talk) 20:06, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed to merge/redirect per RHaworth and TerriersFan. Cunard (talk) 05:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

It would be a great help if you could please consider the changes i've made or help develop and improve this article this article. Thankz a lot!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjskarate (talk • contribs) 00:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC) I'm trying to improve this article. The Jack & Jill Karate Kids would have a great time if they could see their dojo in wikipedia. i'm hoping that somebody who has the expertised in this matter will rescue my article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjskarate (talk • contribs) 23:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Jack and Jill School. The most it deserves is a paragraph or two in the other article. &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 16:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. CRGreathouse (t | c) 00:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to Jack and Jill School - no need for a separate page but absolutely no reason to delete when it would enhance the school page. TerriersFan (talk) 03:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge with Jack and Jill School. Schools (like JJS) are notable by default. It would not be too bad if a paragraph or two about the karate dojo be featured on the parent article.  However, I do not see the notability of the karate school if it stands on its own. Starczamora (talk) 21:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I have included Philippine Karatedo Federation to testify that JJS Karate Dojo is a notable karate school in the Philippines.
 *  Do Not Merge/redirect

Jack & Jill School is an institution in Bacolod City, Philippines. JJS Karate Dojo is martial arts center located in the school campus of Jack & Jill School. When joining the karatedo competition JJS Karatedo is the official team of the school.(Jjskarate (talk) 02:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)).
 * Please read Wikipedia's official policy on notability. Thanks! Starczamora (talk) 02:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

For now I have included 2 reliable sources like Visayan Daily Star and Sun Star Bacolod Newspapers. I hope you could help me or give me some more tips so that this article will survive.(Jjskarate (talk) 03:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)).

As of this moment I've edited and make some changes in JJS Karate Dojo articles (to the best of my ability)... The following changes are:
 *  Kindly Consider 
 * Omitted the school info box
 * Added more reliable sources
 * Daily Star Newspaper (3 articles sports news)
 * Sun Star Bacolod where our dojo is the featured photo in the front page
 * Add more karate links and website
 * and etc
 * Included our Karate Code of Honor
 * Included our Black Belts

Hope my little knowledge regarding wikipedia will be able to save my article fron deletion. (Jjskarate (talk) 08:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC))
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge & redirect if the school is  notable. To me both of them read like adverts and I'm dubious as to the notability of a pre-/elementary school, & the karate club of said school defiantly dose not pass.
 * School seem notable form comments here, this would make good setion of that article. --Nate1481 09:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Please also see WP:MANOTE for thoughts on the notablity of martial arts, artists & schools. --Nate1481 17:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete or Merge - merely locally notable. Not Wiki-notable. -Teancum (talk) 17:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and rd. JJL (talk) 17:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment about sources I am more worried that the first source causes Firebox to barf and This web site at www.visayandailystar.com has been reported as an attack site and has been blocked based on your security preferences. and that some of the other sources may be broken (I didn't try over a long period). At best, this is a merge into Jack and Jill School to be a paragraph.  The only reason Jack and Jill School passes notability is that we give a pass to High Schools, as it is not properly sourced itself and wouldn't make it as a stand alone article without more work.  Interesting, but interesting isn't a criteria.  Merge.   D ENNIS B ROWN  (T) (C) 19:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge A 30 year history and well reported results suggest the school shouldn't be deleted outright. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete clearly fails WP:N. Eusebeus (talk) 23:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Other Dojo Articles
 * Comment: Just wondering why some other dojo pass the standard...
 * like for example: Ichikukai Dojo, Noma Dojo, Yoseikan and other category related to dojo. I may say some deserved to have a place in wikipedia for their dojo are awesome. JJS Karate Dojo is also a martial arts center that somehow if all admin will permit deserves a little space in the wikipedia. Looking forward for your support in saving this article from deletion. Thankz a lot guys!!! (Jjskarate (talk) 00:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC))
 * They may be because no one has looke at them for deletion yet, from a first glance they need a clean up & may need deletion. --Nate1481 10:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have some collected magazine articles that already published in our region regarding our karate dojo but for sure it will somehow fails because its not in the internet or you can't locate the details/info because it's only local not as big as "Sports Illustrated" magazine. Our dojo was featured in BYLINES Magazine 2005 Edition, some of the famous news and feature stories was the 2005 South East Asian Games sports that was played in Bacolod City as 1 of the venues of the games like for instance Football, Weightlifting and Beach Volley Ball. I'm very much willing to send an email copies of the said magazine for those interested wiki admin. We may be a very small karate dojo compared to some dojo in Japan and USA but for sure we exist and hundred of karate kids in our school will be delighted to see their dojo in WIKIPEDIA. Looking forward for a little support concerning this matter. THANKZ A LOT GUYS!! (Jjskarate (talk) 03:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC))
 * A local magazine is better than nothing, it may not demonstrate notability but they are still sources and the more 3rd party sources the better, (but 2 or 3 are the mos that would be needed in most cases) --Nate1481 09:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I have added more sources today like the Junior Inquirer of Philippines Daily Inquirer distributed every Sunday, also an article in BYLINES Magazine written by a respected journalist NONOY ESPINA "Way of the Kids" during the 2005 SEA Games held in Bacolod City, Philppines. I included also a press release and official fliers by Milo Sports Clinic as one of the Karatedo training center in the Visayas and the latest newsletter of Negros Occidental Private School Sports, Cultural, Educational Association (NOPSSCEA) in which our team highlighted the sports opening ceremony.Jjskarate (talk) 06:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge. Clearly not notable beyond the local area. A school organization should at least have achieved something that will make them stand out beyond their own community (and by 'community', that would also include the student's and employees parents, relatives and professional relations, and also the city/town where the school is situated). Some examples of Philippine school organizations whose notability is well-secured are Alpha Phi Omega, the Philippine Collegian, The Varsitarian and this year's UAAP finalists (that is, the Blue Eagles and the Green Archers). At least aim for something like a national newspaper, if not Sports Illustrated. --- Tito Pao (talk) 10:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Added sources

Just to inform everybody that our dojo/team is not a world class dojo for the reason that we are included in the grassroot level of sports program in the Philippines. Most of our karatekas are ages 6-12 years old (children division) that why its not easy for us to established records because the spectators and sports officials focus on the collegiate level such as UAAP, NCAA, SEA Games, ASIAN Games up to World Championship / Olympic. Few organization included children in the competitions. But if given a chance to compete our kids are doing their best to established a personal record.Jjskarate (talk) 07:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 07:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: This page is not listed under the archived section of WP:AFD so I think the admins missed it when they closed the other discussions. This discussion should have been closed or relisted three days ago, so I'm relisting it so that an admin will notice it. Cunard (talk) 07:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin: Please take into account the references recently added by the creator of this article and determine whether the deletion discussion should continue for 5 more days to reevaluate the notability of the school or whether it should be closed immediately as merge/redirect. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 07:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. For me, "The Jack & Jill Karate Kids would have a great time if they could see their dojo in wikipedia" is not enough basis for notability. The dojo would be served far better by a Google Pages or other free website or even by its own site and could be then linked from Jack and Jill School. As for other dojo articles, some of them are clearly notable: Noma dojo "The original hall had long been one of the most celebrated kendo dōjō in Japan." MaxVT (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.