Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JRP Collection Paris


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 11:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

JRP Collection Paris

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Promotion of a company. Paid Users SaiLeeKom (talk) 08:49, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 08:58, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
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 * This article should not be deleted. The argument is that I have been paid to make this article in which there is no proof revolving around these accusations whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevengeOfTheRobots (talk • contribs) 09:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)


 * This article also qualifies to be a stub article. I read through every provision that explains what a stub article is and this was created specifically following those guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevengeOfTheRobots (talk • contribs) 09:08, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Stub articles are great (for example, the vast majority of articles I have created are stubs), but classification as a stub does not disqualify an article from being considered for deletion.--SamHolt6 (talk) 22:40, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Promoting a company using the name of the great Michael Jackson and his family Jackson family.SaiLeeKom (talk) 09:18, 31 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep.Actually, this company was started by Michael and the Jackson family. Get your facts straight. Both are his colognes he created but he passed away before the launch. The Jackson family still put them out because fans like myself demanded for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevengeOfTheRobots (talk • contribs)


 * Keep Not sure I'm seeing this as a paid article. The sources show notability, So this seems like an easy keep to me. If the submitter is concerned about tone, they are welcome to change it, but that's not a reason for deletion.Egaoblai (talk) 10:40, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you.. please close this discussion and leave my article alone. I've already noticed several other pages that have no references that are up and running well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevengeOfTheRobots (talk • contribs) 13:01, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The nominator's argument could have been better, but looking at the article's sourcing, there is no real claim to notability once WP:NCORP is considered. The first source was produced by Marketwire (and is thus a press release), is built around quotes from Julian Rouas, and the only descriptor of the company is taken directly from the company itself (quoting, "We are a luxury perfume design company that manufactures signature fragrances from Grasse, France."), so WP:PRIMARY is a major concern. The second source  likewise features quotes from Rouas, does not directly focus on JRP and its perfume line (it mentions various business ventures being undertaken by the Jacksons, like a hotel chain and amusement parks), and mention of the perfume company is limited to one line, "Julian Rouas in Paris is involved in creating the scents.", nothing else. The third source  is ostensibly the best, but again it is not independent of the subject as it is centered around direct quotes from Franck Rouas, the chief executive of JRP Paris. The article also quotes a representative of Michael Jackson's estate in saying that said estate is not involved with the perfume scents, though this is moot given that WP:NOTINHERITED already prevents the Jacksons from conferring notability on JRP. Source four  is found at Purplepeople.com, but is actually a repost of an article in Var-Matin, a french magazine (the article needs to translated for this reason). Said article is once again, constructed around quotes from Franck Rouas describing his business. The sixth source  is a list of colognes, and the article does not mention JRP, Franck Rouas, or Julian Rouas (in) Paris. In short, every one of the sources cited feature information from primary sources (thus they fail they are not independent from the subject) or make only trivial or in-passing mentions of the company. In my view, NCORP and CORPDEPTH criteria remains unmet, and even WP:RS has to be brought up given the extensive use of primary quotes in the article's sourcing.--SamHolt6 (talk) 12:39, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

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 * Keep I agree with Egaoblai (talk) these are reputable sourced information. this isn’t a paid article.DavidWay (talk) 03:21, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that per their contributions DavidWay has made few contributions outside of this AfD.--SamHolt6 (talk) 07:45, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Articles created for pay are discouraged, but neither WP:UDP nor disclosed paid editing are grounds for deletion. The nom's point could have been stronger, but that does not disqualify other editors from raising concerns about other issues the article may have.--SamHolt6 (talk) 12:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete The article claims that "JRP was founded in 2008 by the singer Michael Jackson, his family, and Rousas". The sources don't support that claim. But just let that sink in for a minute. Michael Jackson starts a fragrance business and decides to name it after Julian Rouas? The actual name of the company that Rouas started in 2008 appears to be, per https://www.nevada-register.com/887895-julian-rouas-paris-inc and https://www.nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/PrintCorp.aspx?lx8nvq=grFZc2YrWh1r%252f6AOCVJMSw%253d%253d&nt7=0 JULIAN ROUAS PARIS, INC. Vexations (talk) 03:40, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment – I find it important to look at the facts based in the references whereas you're not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevengeOfTheRobots (talk • contribs) 03:44, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Like I said, the sources do not support that claim. Neither does the subject himself. According to Rouas, he met Joe in Las Vegas after he gave two kids who were looking for a pen to get an autograph from members of the Jackson family two bottles of perfume to present to her. By that time he had already established his company and created a parfum. The claim that Michael Jackson co-founded Julian Rouas Paris, Inc. is not credible, not supported by sources and contradicted by Rouas. Vexations (talk) 10:41, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment The Beverly Hills Courtier article cited by this article contains a quote reading "In Los Angeles, a spokesman for Michael Jackson’s estate said the perfume venture was “a Joe Jackson deal” in which it was not involved." While this is WP:PRIMARY, its seems clear that the Michael Jackson's estate is not connected to JRP.--SamHolt6 (talk) 12:51, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails the strengthened WP:NCORP guideline and WP:CORPDEPTH. The article lacks the in-depth, independent coverage needed to establish notability, as per WP:NOTINHERITED it does not inherit notability from the Jackson family or Michael Jackson himself. Per Vexations above (who fruitfully cited a source to back their point), the claim that Michael Jackson co-founded the company are not verifiable. Note the sources cited also hinge on interviews with either members of the Jackson family, Rouas, or with JRP itself, and thus most of their content is coming from primary sources (WP:PRIMARY) that violate NCORP mandate that coverage be independent from the subject. Other articles cited are standard press releases announcing the launch of perfume products, make only passing mentions of the company, and, once the company is divested from the Jackson family (again, per NOTINHERITED), there is no real claim to significance. Indeed, the one source cited outside of 2011 (the year the perfume line was founded) does not concern the subject in depth, but rather mentions it as part of a list of perfume lines, thus violating one of the core components of NCORP to not cite articles that list multiple products; it also does not mention JRP at all. In short, the article subject company (once separated from the Jackson family) fails to establish why it is significant due to a lack of in-depth, independent, or even verifiable sources. SamHolt6 (talk) 12:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with nom. SamHolt6 has also provided excellent reasoning. None of the references meet the criteria for establishing notability. Topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 19:57, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails NCORP and GNG. I was on the fence about this one, but per Samholt6, the RS cited don't actually demonstrate notability of this company, and I don't see significant coverage in RS online. The Mighty Glen (talk) 03:03, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


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