Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JS Kabylie in Africa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The discussion is overwhelmingly in favour of "keep." Editors in the discussion have mentioned that the article needs an overhaul, not deletion. (non-admin closure) The SandDoctor  Talk 15:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

JS Kabylie in Africa

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This article appears to be repeat certain paragraphs from the JS Kabylie article and then add a number of unsourced tables of results. WP:NOTSTATSBOOK seems to apply here. Fiachra10003 (talk) 00:34, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 05:58, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 05:58, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 05:58, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 06:38, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - there is no evidence that independent, reliable sources are collating information on their African results in this way, to warrant this stand-alone article. The article should be redirected back to the club page. Eldumpo (talk) 08:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - not sufficient content to have a separate article, mention at main page and have this as redirect. GiantSnowman 08:26, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Struway2's excellent research below which shows it likely meets GNG. Article needs renaming and a big overhaul, but topic appears notable. GiantSnowman 08:24, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Going by the number of articles in the relevant categories, this article is a dozen or so such articles about African clubs in confederation-level football, at least a similar number about Asian clubs, and more than 200 about European clubs. Like this page, some of them are proseless and unsourced, e.g. Atlético Madrid's; others are almost proseless and minimally sourced, like Everton's or Tottenham Hotspur's or the mess that is Portsmouth F.C. in European football; others are featured lists, like Rosenborg BK in European football, or good-quality articles. There have been a number of related discussions at WT:FOOTY: a couple on notability, here and here, seemed to conclude that so long as the team had made enough appearances in confederation-level football, it was OK to have an article. JS Kabylie has more than 20 seasons in CAF competition and six titles. That looks to me like a precedent of notability generally accepted by the community, and it also makes it appear unlikely (to me, anyway) that reliable sources haven't covered their career in such competition. On fr.wiki, the club has numerous season articles, which make reference to book sources: see e.g. the 1968–69 season page bibliography, which lists three books that imply significant coverage of the club's history. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:28, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Wow, this is could become a particularly egregious case of WP:BIAS (yes, I know it's not policy, but it is a real issue). Maybe if we included the 200 articles on clubs in European football... But that is a discussion better for WT:FOOTY. Is this one of the April Fools Day AfDs? Jack N. Stock (talk) 14:14, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - There are hundreds of similar articles for European clubs in equivalent continental competitions and, even if the article needs improving, deletion is not cleanup. As Struway pointed out, there are sources available for potentially expanding this page, the rsssf link alone supports everything in the table, and the team have a significant history that supports a standalone article. Kosack (talk) 18:31, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Same reasoning as those above. Rename needed though, "in African football" rather than "in Africa", right? R96Skinner (talk) 18:51, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes! My first reaction was "of course this Algerian club is in Africa!" Jack N. Stock (talk) 20:02, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Standard article in standard format for a club with a significant history in continental competition. Indications from Struway above suggest sources exist to show GNG. Agree with comments above regarding the need to clean up and add sourced prose. Fenix down (talk) 10:45, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - per the discussions and citations provided by Struway2, although I am still not totally convinced that this article is notable, I would be fine with a merge as well. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 21:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep clearly a notable/viable split off the JB Kabylie page. SportingFlyer  talk  07:24, 8 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.