Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JW Marriott Panglao Island Resort & Spa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. ✗ plicit  14:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

JW Marriott Panglao Island Resort & Spa

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This under-construction hotel does not meet threshold for WP:GNG or WP:NBUILDING. All sources are WP:TRADES publications and thus do not contribute to notability. Any attribution of "five-star" status or "80 spacious guest rooms" or "luxurious amenities" is both promotional and premature. I'd recommend redirecting here but since this hotel won't be open for at least three years the redirect won't be of much use to searchers. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture and Philippines. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per PROMO, this isn't yet notable. SportingFlyer  T · C  17:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think the references in the article establish notability. The nominator misunderstands the definition of trade publication. A trade publication serves readers in a particular industry. A magazine or newspaper directed towards a general business audience (Canadian Business, The Wall Street Journal, Crain's Chicago Business) does not have the potential conflict of interest that a single-industry publication such as The Inland Printer might have. Moreover, Notability (organizations and companies) does not completely exclude trade magazines as sources. "Feature stories from leading trade magazines may be used where independence is clear." Of the references, Hospitality News Philippines is a trade publication serving the hotel and restaurant sector. Colliers is the research arm of a commercial real estate broker. The rest of the references seem to be general-audience publications, some with a focus on business, and several include a reporter's byline. The seemingly promotional text can probably be justified from the architectural plans and JW Marriott's reputation as a brand. Hotel stars, unlike Michelin stars, are generally self-awarded, so the developer's claim shouldn't be rejected as premature. A hotel's rating can decline over the years as it loses ground to newer and fancier competitors, or can improve after a significant renovation. Remember that the Hotel Pensylvania in Manhattan stopped being a full-service hotel in its final years, and many of the other hotels and former hotels in Wikipedia started out as the finest hotels in their city but were perceived as less attractive once other competitors arrived in the market. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Even if one rejects the TRADES premise, under WP:NBUILDING there is a requirement for "significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability." The sources cited in the article are churnalism regurgitating AppleOne's press release, with no evidence of in-depth additional reporting. Such "significant in-depth coverage" would be highly unlikely for a single under-construction hotel that does not appear to have any architectural distinction. Under NBUILDING and PROMO, this article is WP:TOOSOON. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - for all of the above, but mostly for the promo. There’s nothing “seemingly” promotional about it. It is promotional, and premature. KJP1 (talk) 19:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * p.s. Food and beverage outlets - in a hotel. Who knew! KJP1 (talk) 17:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:PROMO for a standard Marriott which isn't even open yet.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Travel and tourism-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  02:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete for now as WP:TOOSOON per above. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let&#39;srun (talk) 05:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.