Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Dyer–Lou Richards Trophy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of individual match awards in the Australian Football League.  MBisanz  talk 02:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Jack Dyer–Lou Richards Trophy

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It is proposed to blank and redirect all of these nominated articles to List of individual match awards in the Australian Football League. The target article is a new article which I specifically compiled for the purposes of this suite of blank-and-redirects. The change was originally proposed at the Australian rules football WikiProject without opposition here but the changes were later reverted by another editor.

These awards and trophies all fail to meet WP:NOTABILITY. The awarding of these trophies is usually a one-line comment near the end of routine coverage of the games in which they are awarded, and most other references are promotional for upcoming games – which is not adequate to demonstrate the notability of a subject. There are also news articles published which quite fairly describes the lack of notability these trophies are afforded in football circles: – and although it is not really admissible as Wikipedia evidence, the general tone of opinion on blog and forum sites also demonstrates lack of notability. The bottom line is that the existence of these trophies/awards and a description of who or what they honour is useful in the context of describing the AFL holistically (hence the blank-and-redirect strategy); but the winners of the trophies, results of the games and recipients of the medals are not historically significant to the level required for Wikipedia, and therefore it is inappropriate for them to have their own articles.

I am nominating all of the following articles for this reason: Aspirex (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Jack Dyer–Lou Richards Trophy, keep all the others. The first one not an especially significant trophy, with no best-afield medal to go with it. Others, such as the Blue Ribbon Cup, has more coverage. I note that the suggested target is a summary only and does not include the relevant medallists. StAnselm (talk) 00:38, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - the problem with this nomination is that there is significant variation regarding the notability of the various awards. For example, with the Peter Badcoe VC Medal, there has been significant coverage regarding the medal itself - e.g. "Port has been lauded for generally not straying into the fraught territory of overblown jingoism." StAnselm (talk) 01:11, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I contend that despite the range of importances, all fail to meet the basic level of notability that would drive Wikipedia to maintain a list of its winners. I approach this with the view that any individual accolade which would not be listed in appraisal-upon-retirement of a 100-200 game player is a fringe award which should not have its entire winners' history recorded at a level beyond a fan driven wiki like Blueseum or Demonwiki. Josh Carr's retirement doesn't mention his Badcoe: ; Brendon Lade's retirement appraisal mentions his Rising Star nomination but not his Badcoe ; not mentioned for David Rodan when he was delisted . If these sorts of references deemed the award worthy of mention, that would sway my opinion about its notability. Aspirex (talk) 05:04, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, the Badcoe Medal is indeed listed in the appraisal of Chad Cornes on his induction into the South Australian Football Hall of Fame StAnselm (talk) 09:03, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In any case, I still think it makes more sense to leave the AfD bundled for the moment, because I expect most other editors will be prepared to make an all-or-nothing call on them and it will be a much more efficient way of gaining consensus than going through twelve separate similar AfDs. If I'm wrong on that prediction, then I'll spin the controversial ones out of the bundle and give them their own discussions. Aspirex (talk) 05:04, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect - per nom - fails GNG —Мандичка YO 😜 16:51, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kraxler (talk) 18:12, 6 June 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete all - not seeing the significant, in-depth (non-routine) coverage for these. No objection to a redirect, if desired. Neutralitytalk 22:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nakon  21:30, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect - not enough notability for all of these trophies or cups to have their own medals so they should be rede redirected to List of individual match awards in the Australian Football League. The GRVO fLigh tning  (talk)	 16:16, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.