Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Groselle (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. No "keep" arguments after a month of discussion.  Sandstein  07:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Jack Groselle
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 * 1) Since the last deletion discussion, no contextual changes have been made.
 * 2) The first keep was merited because it had a number of ghits.
 * 3) Not notable.
 * 4) Not many references. Curb Chain (talk) 07:23, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Comment The matter under discussion here is if this person is notable; the other points raised can be fixed by normal editing. I agree the article is a mess and a new start may be required, however that's not too big a job.
 * The reference in the article states "Groselle was the 1976 NCAA Division III national champion in the 50-meter freestyle event and was twice named an All-American. A recipient of the Donald M. Campbell, Jr. Memorial Award, Groselle earned All-President's Athletic Conference honors twice and was the PAC Most Valuable Swimmer in 1976. In addition, Groselle held six Hiram College school records as well as over 20 world and national Master's swimming records." Therefore this swimmer has held over 20 world records, twice named All-American and seems to have won sufficient awards to be notable. Edgepedia (talk) 19:22, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * So, point 2 says that one of the editors claimed that because it had a number of ghits that the article should be kept.Curb Chain (talk) 02:07, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

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 * Weak Delete - Coverage about him to meet WP:GNG appears to be insufficient. There is some coverage locally, but I don't see that being sufficient to establish notability.  There are hints at political activity in the article but no specifics.  I was unable to find any indication that he would meet WP:POLITICIAN.  As a swimmer, we would need to look to see if WP:NSPORT is met in any way.  There is no specific criteria for swimmers, so going by general guidance, we would need to see if he has competed at the highest level in his sport.  In college he competed in NCAA Division III, but there is no mention of international competition.  He has competed in FINA Masters events and set world records for his age group.  However, masters swimming events are not the top level of competition, and coverage of his world records appear to consist of the local coverage mentioned previously.  -- Whpq (talk) 15:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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