Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack James (fencer)


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  13:35, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Jack James (fencer)

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Not a medal-winner and thus not automatically notable under the new WP:NOLY. No sports-specific notability guide for fencing. No evidence of notability by a WP:BASIC pass and nothing found in my WP:BEFORE. The edit-history is longer than it needs to be due to the creator's trade mark null-edits where they made pointless edits to remove information that did not appear on the page or replace descriptions with exactly the same description made apparently just to assert that they were the "owner" of the article (see, e.g., this, this), and this) but I've done my best to review it so see whether any other sources were ever present here, but it seems that Sport-Reference.com and Olympedia (essentially the same source, since one is a copy of the other) are the only sources that have ever been used with this article, and these are "database sources with low, wide-sweeping generic standards of inclusion" and excluded from showing notability per WP:SPORTCRIT.

Can accept a redirect to Fencing at the 1928 Summer Olympics but since this Jack James is only one of a number of Jack James's on Wikipedia, and is non-notable, I am not sure this redirect makes sense - people are not likely to search for "Jack James (fencer)", are they? Shouldn't we simply direct them to the Jack James's who are actually notable?FOARP (talk) 10:14, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Competed as one of a team of 6 in the foil team event. GBR lost 16-0 to Italy and 13-3 to Austria in the preliminary round. James didn't play against Austria and lost his 4 matches against Italy, two 5-0 and two 5-1. All indicating he was probably one of the weakest competitors in that event. Coverage in the press was minimal: see https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=DE0_AAAAIBAJ&pg=5699%2C4142687 - difficult to read but near top of right-hand column on page 6. No names mentioned. Won the British amateur foil championship in 1929. This from the guardian https://www.newspapers.com/clip/91167080/the-guardian/ although it get his name wrong. Worth searching for "Evan James" or similar if looking for sources. Nigej (talk) 15:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete The sourcing is not here, and people have done indepth searching and not come up with more adequate sourcing. The old olympic guidelines have left us with a huge number of minimally sourced articles, many of which I suspectcould be expanded and given better sourcing, and a good number of whom are in the living people category even though they are dead. The automatic pass lead to lots of low quality articles. We need to be not hasty in nominating them for deletion, but in this case there is no sign of actual notability, and considering that the modern pre-playing inclusion criteria for the olympics were not fully adopted until the 1990s, and as you go back inclusion was more loose, there is no reason to suppose that James meets inclusion criteria. This will be an even bigger issue with pre-WWI olympic competitors, but it does apply in some cases after WWI. There is no sign of notability here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:03, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete; found half a dozen articles on BNA but coverage is limited to passing mentions so insufficient to meet the SIGCOV requirements of GNG. In addition, per Nigej, he seems to be most often referred to as "J. Evan James", due to being the son of the seemingly far more notable H. Evan James. Suggest such people would be best included in a List of British Olympic fencers if anyone cares to create such a list. wjematherplease leave a message... 17:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per above. SIGCOV isn't there, the subject fails the revised NOLY, and all that's left are casual mentions and namedrops ... including in his father's article, which constitutes all the mention the subject merits here.   Ravenswing      07:09, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


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