Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Ringca


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. This has been listed for 21 days so a call has to be made and it looks like I drew the short straw. My reading of the consensus is that he doesn't quite make it as musician but he may be notable as a "yo-yo"er depending on one's opinion on whether or not the coverage in sources is significant or trivial. Since the first section on his music career is completely unsourced, the most prudent thing to do is delete this for now per WP:BLP. I will userfy or incubate this on request if someone wants to work on it. Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Jack Ringca

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Fixing broken nomination by IP. Rationale by is "Unknown person, not notable in any way, source links are all broken or do not point to subject in question." For my part, I am neutral. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   Wifione    .......  Leave a message  18:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I fixed the link to the Duncan site. All the links now work. The value of their content is a separate issue. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:21, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - No coverage provided or found to demonstrate that Ringca is notable for activity independent of the band (see WP:MUSICBIO). Unable to locate reliable independent sources for his yo-yoing -- Duncan would claim that anyone promoting their products is significant, so this minor coverage is of no help. Most of the links provided either do not mention Ringca at all or mention him in passing. Lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as article fails notability criteria for musicians. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  12:42, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep not for any notability as a musician, but for his notability as a national yo-yo champion. I've added citations to articles in the Winston-Salem Journal, The Christian Science Monitor, Orlando Sentinel, and The New York Times which have at least brief mentions of his yo-yo work, and the first two confirm his status as a national champion in 2005. If kept, the article should likely be re-organized to emphasize his yo-yo work rather than his music. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 01:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I don't see any indication that his "national championship" is notable, so I'm back to the sources. From what you've added, I need more. The only source with a link is, IMO, trivial coverage of him. I couldn't find the other articles as I don't have Lexus Nexus access at home. The titles do not make a strong case. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:10, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough; I recognize we might have differences of opinion about what is trivial or non-trivial. I'd characterize all of these, including the linked one you reviewed, as brief but non-trivial mentions. They're not just directory listings of appearances, for example. If there was just a single one of them, I'd be arguing delete, but with this many I say we've entered the range of WP:N notability. Multiple newspapers have chosen to quote him, to discuss his work representing Duncan yo-yos, and/or note him as a national champion. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 01:56, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment In my opinion he fails WP:ATHLETE too, as the only source i can see, does no mention that he is a professional yo-yo player and the "USA National Yo-Yo Championship" is not the highest amateur level, as the World Yo-Yo Contest. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  12:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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