Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Rollen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. The bludgeoning for keep is badly unconvincing. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 01:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Jack Rollen

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Refbombed piece, not clear if any of the sources are WP:RS. Likely to fail WP:MUSICBIO. Declined draft. KH-1 (talk) 00:56, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Uganda. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:54, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete PROMO. Even a Gsearch brings up Imdb, various social media links, his crunchbase bio, twitter. Nothing beyond promotion or social media. Oaktree b (talk) 14:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I want you to do some homework. Gsearch for Chris Brown, Among the very first search results on his SERP is his official website, instagram, twitter, linkedin, youtube, deezer, youtube. But doesn't he have a wikipedia page! Does that make it a promotion page? Or does his page therefore qualify for deletion since his google search results don't have news websites through out from top to bottom.
 * Let me educate you, the results that appear on google search when you search for a brand is 70% affected by how optimized the brand personality is. Some brands don't give room for any news articles to appear on google search for atleast two or three pages down. That's SEO. But if you continue down and down, You'll then find the articles you need.
 * You can't therefore claim that since Jack Rollen's SERP brings his handles firts, it makes it a PROMO. That will make every brand that optimizes their brand subject to wikipedia page deletion. Pro Art Editor (talk) 08:16, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Looks like a vanity page with nothing to indicate notability.  signed, Willondon (talk)  15:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Am sure you are claiming that this page is a vanity page just because the subject is not famous in your country. I have something for you!
 * A page should not be cast away as vanity simply because ths subject is not famous(in one editor's region). There is presently no consensus about what the degree of recognition is required for a page to be included in wikipedia, and therefore, lack of fame should be completely ignored in deletion debates.
 * what am trying to say is(something that even professional wikipedians like David Gerard believe in), just because you think a page is a vanity page doesn't make it qualify for deletion.
 * David Gerard once said, "notability is not a deletiion criteria" but now I say "Vanity claims doesn't make a page subject to deletion." We need more than that. Pro Art Editor (talk) 08:07, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete  I agree with previous comments that there is nothing to indicate notability, and everything presume this is a vanity page. -- VViking Talk Edits 17:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Sirs, I don't think we shall agree on deleting a page just depending on the way someone thinks about the matter. I've seen all the previous comments are based on what someone thinks about the page Jack Rollen, which isn't right. Before coming here to comment on this, I had to read the Afd policy, and it so clearly states that decisions about the fate of a page shouldn't be based on thoughts but sources to support one's idea about the subject. I'm here to neither support the deletion nor the Keeping of the page. I rather request us as wikipedians to be fair and unbiased.
 * Someone was saying there's nothing more than linkedin profiles and social media links on Gsearch results on Jack Rollen, a claim that is entirely wrong. We need to base on facts and sources if we're to conclude this deletion process. I know most of Ya'll want the page deleted, mostly coz Ya'll are biased, you don't want to do your homework but rather to get done with what you feel is right(which is wrong) in your mind. I'm not here to change anyone's mind. But not all musical artists, producers, songwriters, have a big platform as the establshed American figures but these subjects are notable in their respective regions. Pro Art Editor (talk) 07:41, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Some comments:
 * mostly coz Ya'll are biased: speculating on other editors' motives is usually a non-starter in these discussions
 * just because the subject is not famous in your country: it is true that parochialism can lead to less dominant cultures being unfairly ignored
 * you don't want to do your homework: WP:BURDEN provides guidance which I believe can be extended to articles as well as portions of content
 * if you continue down and down, You'll then find the articles you need.:


 * Improvements to an article are very welcome, even (especially) while an AfD is being discussed. It will be good if you can find reliable secondary sources and provide content based on them. One thing I noticed in the article: "Jack Rollen has been known by many names in the Uganda entertainment industry. Bomba, JAVIN, Karts Pro, Tritto Pritto & Producer Karts are some of the pseudonyms he has used". This makes it difficult to verify content without a reliable source tying those pseudonyms together. For example, some sources refer to "Bomba", but provide no indication that "Jack Rollen" and "Bomba" are the same person.  signed, Willondon (talk)  13:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.