Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Speiden (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Kurykh (talk) 00:08, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Jack Speiden
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Appears to fail WP:GNG and clearly fails WP:POLITICIAN. A twice failed candidate for Congress. Otherwise, the article just seems to be somebody's first hand reflection of this guy's life. The fact that he had a few notable people at his ranch and that he was briefly mentioned in death by the governor does not come close to establishing notability. Safiel (talk) 22:32, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I found this published letter where Thornton Wilder mentions Speiden. I was able to find a mention to him as traveling around the world with Stanley Woodward in a book published by the University of Pennsylvania press. I will do more searches to see if I can find anything else.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:39, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 21:07, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 21:07, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The New York Times ran an obituary on him, which is generally enough to keep an article. He was indicted into the National Cowboy Hall of Fame. How strong of a case this gives for him is hard to say, but it means he was seen in some circles as an important stockman/cowboy.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:58, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I found:
 * which says he employed :JFK (future president) and older brother Joe as ranch hands in the summer of 1936. Article also says he encouraged Barry Goldwater to enter politics.
 * Kennedy story also written up in Arizona Highways 1999.
 * Also found a profile in Western World
 * photo of him shaking hands with Eisenhowser in Life (magazine)
 * at least a half dozen more from Google Books search (not checked, so some may be passing mentions)
 * a Newspapers.com search finds 13 hits in NY newspapers, from 1921 about playing football at Yale to 1960s stories about employing the Kennedy boys on his ranch.
 * Newspapers.com show 1200 hits in Arizona newspapers. One, the Apr 4, 1969 Tuscon Daily Citizen has article about a tribute dinner attended by AZ Governor William, AZ Senator Goldwater, with congratulatory telegram from President Nixon.
 * The article needs much improvement but the subject is clearly notable. MB 02:55, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - article is already tagged for improvement, and really needs a good cleanup, but the topic is plainly notable. --Slashme (talk) 14:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as per my nomination. CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   17:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


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