Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Thiessen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 18:08, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Jack Thiessen

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WP:BLP of a writer, not properly referenced as passing WP:AUTHOR. As always, writers are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they and their work exist, but need to be the subject of enough media attention (reviews of their work, etc.) to clear WP:GNG -- but the only references being cited here are a user-generated wiki site and a single news article in a smalltown community pennysaver. This is not enough to make a writer notable enough for a Wikipedia article: the news article is okay, but not enough all by itself, and the wiki contributes nothing whatsoever. Bearcat (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep I came to the subject's article through another page I watch. It seems that the author is an expert in the field of Mennonite Low German and has created works to that end. This seems to meet AUTHOR. The documentation, or lack thereof, is not a reason to delete an article. If it is lacking references, that merits a cleanup template (or similar). Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:13, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There's no way to divorce notability from referenceability: by definition, referenceability is what the concept of notability measures. There is no notability claim so "inherently" notable that the "need" to maintain an article about them justifies the use of poor quality sources because good ones don't exist — the quality of the sourcing is what the entire concept of notability is. Bearcat (talk) 20:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I will add more sources, however, the comments below contain numerous unfounded assumptions. GAMEO is NOT a wiki. The article cited is from 1989. Nor is The Carillon a "pennysaver." It's a long-established subscription-based newspaper. The article also links to already-existing articles about Jack Thiessen in both the German and Low German wikipedia pages. Neverthless, I will add more sources.
 * Firstly, GAMEO is a Wiki, which can be plainly verified just by looking at it: it looks exactly like Wikipedia, just with a different logo in the top corner, and it explicitly states about itself that it's powered by MediaWiki, and can be edited by anybody who sets up an account on it. And I don't know where you're getting the idea that "pennysaver" and "subscription based newspaper" are two mutually exclusive things: "pennysaver" is simply a term that means a newspaper published in a small town or city neighbourhood, but not widely distributed enough to make a person notable just because they have some coverage in it. Bearcat (talk) 20:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I fear we may be weighing into semantics here and perhaps a bit off topic. Nevertheless. Yes, I take your point that GAMEO does use Wiki technology, but as you can see at the bottom of the article, the articles are taken from an actual published encyclopedia, The Mennonite Encyclopedia published by Herald Press. After consulting this publication I have update the citation. As for the term "pennysaver," it is by definition a free newspaper that focuses on publishing advertisements. So, yes, The Carillon is a small town paper, but it is not a pennysaver. I take your point, however, that this one citation is insufficient to warrant the Jack Thiessen article. I trust that new references I have added have proven Jack Thiessen's notability.
 * Pennysavers do not only publish advertisements, but most certainly do also publish real but locally targeted news content. Yes, they may be advertising-heavy, but the word's meaning does not inherently imply that they're advertising-exclusive. Bearcat (talk) 01:36, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not use the word "exclusive" or "only". I said pennysavers "focus" on publishing ads, which is true. That is their primary goal, which is why they are able to give them out for free, and is why the articles that do appear in them would be considered less credible. In this context, however, the term "pennysaver" was misapplied to a traditional newspaper that in no sense fits that definition. Anyway, perhaps this discussion can return to the subject of Jack Thiessen.

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to discuss the recent improvements to the article some more
 * Keep WP:HEYMANN article creator has improved page during this discussion, and I have added a little to the upgrade. Notable lexicographer.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:37, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:35, 14 March 2019 (UTC) Is there still any debate? Jack Thiessen is a notable contributer to Plautdietsch literature and lexicography and this is well established in numerous legitimate sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mennowiki (talk • contribs) 01:40, 14 March 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sheldybett (talk) 08:44, 21 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.