Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jackie Reid (baseball)


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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:16, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Jackie Reid (baseball)

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Fails WP:NBASE. Never played in a major league and no references to indicate that his career was notable enough to meet WP:BASIC. Hirolovesswords (talk) 17:08, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, I'm afraid. I'd like to keep if possible, but I'm not seeing it as possible. Keep {changed my vote per arguments below]18:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC) We do have articles on minor league players sometime, IF they're remarkable in some way. Happy Hogan had a long career and is in the Pacific Coast League Hall of Fame. Steve Dalkowski was maybe the fastest pitcher ever. Brien Taylor was a #1 overall pick who flamed out. So let's see... Jackie Reid won 277 games, which is a whole honkin' lot of wins.
 * So, in Reid's day, the minor leagues were very much different. They were independent, they existed to win championships and make money rather than develop players, they were important to their cities, and they had some pretty good players. Their players were below major league calibre generally, but having a career as a minor leaguer was fine -- you weren't playing to get "called up", you were playing to win championships and batting titles and make a living and hopefully get raises. Some of these players could have been good players in the majors. Think of the minor leagues back then as like top-level college football. Iowa and Michigan and Nebraska and Alabama aren't NFL level, but they're independent and very notable. The Texas League and the American Association and the International League (all of which Reid played in), think of them like the Big 10 or something.


 * Yes the minor leauges played in smaller cities. But I mean Nashville and Oklahoma City and Dallas and Atlanta (places Reid played) are still pretty big. Reid played in Class A a fair amount. There was no AAA in his time, but there was AA. Reid played AA for a couple teams, Baltimore and Toledo (but not much), and more time in A1 which was just a step below AA but higher than A. From 1936, when A1 was created, Reid pitched all his games in A1 (except a handful in AA and C). 271 wins... three 20 win seasons and a couple of 18's... he is the second oldest player in Texas League history...


 * I'm not worried about the lack of biographical details, if he actually is notable for his 271 wins... the Nashville papers etc. probably have info on him which we can't access right now. He is in the Encyclopedia of Minor League Baseball (altho probably just bare listings).


 * BUT the problem is Reid didn't play in AA very much -- 17 games, 5-5, 4.85 ERA... That makes him a pretty hard sell. Lifetime AA player with 271 wins, yes. Lifetime player below AA level with 271 wins... not too sure about that. Herostratus (talk) 19:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * EDIT... well since there's actually useful info enough to make an actual decent small article about him, that's different, so now I'm thinking Keep. On the one hand, players below (what is now) AAA level... that is getting down into the weeds a a bit. On the other hand "250 wins at A or above" is a reasonable standard. There aren't very many people who meet it I don't think. But if there's a bio in the Fort Worth papers (can't access it right now), yes, that's enough to hang an article on. Herostratus (talk) 18:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Won almost 300 games in the minors over a very long career that included stops in some big cities, during an era when baseball was enormously popular. Sources might not be online but they surely exist. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 18:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Minor leaguers have to be notable for reasons beyond being minor leaguers, and after a newspapers.com search Reid appears to fit into that mold. This article from the Sunday Fort Worth newspaper is quite the profile, especially for a player of the time, and also . This is an Associated Press article talking about Reid's 22nd season. I thought I'd be a delete coming into this, but it appears he's an exception. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 07:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - SportingFlyer's 2 sources already meet the lowest bar of GNG, but given that they are 80+ years old and newspapers.com hardly comes close to having all the newspapers and sources that were available back then there is surely more. Rlendog (talk) 23:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * There's lots of those types of articles. Most are local, but I wanted to demonstrate the fact he received non-local coverage, and the fact his local coverage was front-page fare. SportingFlyer  T · C  23:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)


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