Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacob Alexander Figueroa (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 02:12, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Jacob Alexander Figueroa
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Almost no WP:RS to even VERIFY the claims, and certainly not enough to satisfy NARTIST. Much of the article makes dubious unsourced claims that other artists were inspired by his work. A number of Vanity Galleries. It seems that a 2015 AFD discussion hinged around coverage in NY Arts Magazine, which is a vanity publication and the article for NYArts was itself just deleted. Theredproject (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Theredproject (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Theredproject (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Theredproject (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete many of the sources do not even mention the subject of the article. Vexations (talk) 16:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete too much local and promotional coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This artist is internationally and nationally known for his artistry, but besides being multi-published for his art and music in magazines, online, print, radio, and television, his band has also long been an advocate for black artists, LGBT, and all minorities and people of color. His band has been very vocal during the ongoing Black Lives Matter movement. I feel this is targeted harassment from groups of white supremacy. Calling it like I see it. End of discussion.WeAreAllStars (talk) 19:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC) — WeAreAllStars (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  striking comments by blocked sock.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:01, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , I take the charge of white supremacy very seriously, and will re-review my assessment of the subject's notability. It's certainly subjective, and I could be wrong but, they don't look like a person of color to me. Vexations (talk) 11:51, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I have completed my review and stand by my original conclusion, but would like to add that the article is unambiguously promotional and misleading. The last section contains a lot of original research that is in no way supported by the sources. It's a list of claims of plagiarism by better-know artists, but none of the sources actually mention that. I have added a list of all the sources ever used in the article. It is important to note that the subject is not mentioned in most of the independent, reliable sources in that list with the possible exception of plymouthmag.com. Vexations (talk) 18:07, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that your only contributions to Wikipedia have been creating this article, and aggressively defending the article for Articles for deletion/Band Famous (2nd nomination). I took a look at your talk page, and noticed that you have been sanctioned by two editors for "wiki-tantrums and outright lies" over this subject and warned not to continue in that vein without expecting to be hard blocked. User talk:WeAreAllStars. Please explain your relationship to Jacob Alexander Figueroa -- are you Jacob Alexander Figueroa, or do you have a relationshiop with Jacob Alexander Figueroa that would be in violation of the Conflict of interest guidelines?  Please make your arguments without conspiratorial WP:PERSONALATTACKS. If you repeat anything of that matter, I will request a hard block. You know nothing about any of us, and if you did, you would realize how wrong your ad hominem attack was. Theredproject (talk) 14:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I have filed an incident report regarding your continued personal attacks and defamations. Theredproject (talk) 18:44, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * WeAreAllStars is now blocked. Theredproject (talk) 21:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This article caught my eye under articles proposed for deletion, so I did some digging to see if I could help weigh in on this matter. A bit of researching revealing that there is national and international coverage on this artist and on his band and venue. His band/software/venue (seemingly the band is simultaneously all of these) just added a musician named Annale featuring Musiq Soulchild to their online radio, and Musiq Soulchild is a huge musician! Seems pretty notable to me! I'm really not sure why people are trying to delete this artist? This looks to me like page vandalism and harassment, as viewing the history of the page shows previous spam and harassment (view the history yourself to verify). It appears that someone had accused this artist and/or his band of pan-handling and that they make soft-core porn? How bizarre. Looking at this artist's social media and The Band Famous social media reveals that they have been vocal and advocates for the Black Lives Matter movement ongoing. The band was just recently endorsed by rock and roll Hall Of Fame, Grammy-winning B.J. Thomas, and it seems that he has been supporting this band and this artist for years. You can see his support for The Band Famous on his twitter profile! Anyway, I say keep! Michelle Lanette (talk) 04:39, 8 June 2020 (UTC) — Musicislife777 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * A note to the closing admin has made three edits. Their first was to their user page, and their second was to this page (9 minutes later, about the time it likely took to write this comment). Their suggestion that they happened to be browsing articles nominated for deletion is false, and made in bad faith. Theredproject (talk) 16:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Musicislife777 has been blocked as a sock of WeAreAllStars. – 2 . O . Boxing  20:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak DeleteThere may be something of substance behind this page, but in order to remain on Wikipedia it would need significant improvement. The writing style is that of a press release and fails NPOV. There is also a huge amount of irrelevant information that would need to be removed (ex: "This benefit music festival also hosted the world's first ever Pokémon Go ranked PvP tournament for charity, with famous Pokémon Go YouTubers PkmnmasterHolly who is featured on a Samsung Galaxy billboard in New York City."). Tangents like these seem like a way to pad the page to make it seem more important. Mtheletter (talk) 20:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability is not a question of the things a person has done, it is a question of the quality of the sourcing he does or doesn't have about the things he's done. This article, however, is reference bombed overwhelmingly to unreliable sources that are'not support for notability, such as YouTube and Vimeo videos, Yelp reviews, Twitter and Instagram posts, podcasts, Google Maps, Tumblr blogs and the self-published websites of people or organizations he's directly affiliated with — and even the few citations that are actually to media still aren't cutting it, as very few of them are about Jacob Alexander Figueroa in any non-trivial way: most of them are here solely to verify tangential facts about other people without even mentioning Figueroa's name at all, and even the ones that do mention Figueroa also largely just namecheck his existence without saying anything particularly substantive or notable that would count toward getting him over WP:GNG. Wikipedia is not a free PR platform on which people are entitled to have articles just because they're technically verifiable as existing: to earn an article on here, a person has to be the subject of a significant volume of journalistic coverage in real media, which independently analyzes and verifies and attests to the significance of his work, and virtually none of the sources here represent what's required. I should also note that the page creator tried to canvass me to come defend the article on the grounds of alleged homophobia — but y'all know I'm an openly gay man, and I'm not seeing a homophobia problem here: I'm seeing a "lack of valid notability-supporting reliable sourcing" problem. Notability is not a thing people get to give themselves by being directly involved in the creation of their own sources: it's a thing journalists have to anoint them with by writing third party content about them in newspapers, magazines and books. I'm willing to reconsider this if somebody can actually show much better sources that make his notability much more plainly apparent, but the sources present in this version simply aren't cutting the mustard. Bearcat (talk) 21:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I do not have a powerful enough tool to cut through the reference bombing in this article. Tried half the stuff in the garage, but no luck. I think the only technique that would fix this article is WP:TNT. As a last resort in understanding exactly what this subject does, in order to assess notability, I tried an external web search. I could not find anything of note. TNT is what is needed here-- but I think it would be better to just delete it and let an uninvolved person recreate it sometime in the future. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , I wrote a simple python script, just for that purpose. That's how we have a link to all the references ever used in the article on its talk page. And I guarantee, I've read every-single-one of them. Vexations (talk) 22:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * that is excellent, thank you, I will check out the Python script. This much reference bombing tends to say more about the notability than the actual references do.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.