Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacopo Rampini


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Federico Rampini. Viable ATD, but consensus is clearly against this article remaining. Star  Mississippi  02:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Jacopo Rampini

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WP:BLP of an actor, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NACTOR. As always, actors are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because roles are listed in it -- the notability test doesn't hinge on the list of roles, it hinges on the depth and quality of the sourcing that can be shown to support that the performances have been externally validated as significant. But the performances listed here are entirely supporting or bit parts rather than leading roles, and the article is referenced exclusively to a mixture of directory entries (Amazon Prime, TV Guide) that are not support for notability at all, Q&A interviews in which he's answering questions about himself in the first person rather than being written about in the third, and sources that tangentially verify the existence of film or television projects that he was in without mentioning his name as a cast member at all. It also warrants mention that the creator's username ("Rampo17") suggests some form of conflict of interest, particularly since their edit history has otherwise revolved almost exclusively around the subject's father, but people are not entitled to write about themselves or their own family members on Wikipedia. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be the subject of more WP:GNG-worthy third party coverage than this. Bearcat (talk) 19:43, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Italy. Bearcat (talk) 19:43, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable; sources in the article include Amazon and Broadway World, both unreliable. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:45, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Jacopo Rampini is a notable actor in Italy and in the US with over 40 credits in film and tv and many press articles in both languages. 2001:B07:AD4:91C1:D0E6:2550:760A:6654 (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC) — 2001:B07:AD4:91C1:D0E6:2550:760A:6654 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Notability is not a question of the number of credits an actor has — it's a question of the number of WP:GNG-worthy reliable sources, representing third-party critical analysis about his credits, he has. And this article is showing absolutely none of the kind of sourcing that is required. Bearcat (talk) 12:29, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You are merely focusing on the number of credits Jacopo Rampini has on IMDb. You are disregarding the fact that Jacopo Rampini is an Italian actor, producer, and writer who already has an Italian Wikipedia and has written works that have been produced outside of IMDb. Reducing an actor’s career to his tv and film credits is both unfair and inaccurate and I encourage you to expand your research to all the articles that have been written on the matter to make a more informed judgment.
 * https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacopo_Rampini
 * https://www.vanityfair.it/news/approfondimenti/2017/05/15/eta-del-caos-spettacolo-teatrale-rampini-spoleto/amp
 * https://www.vogue.it/news/article/great-men-spettacolo-teatrale-pinacoteca-brera
 * https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/23_maggio_14/a-che-cosa-serve-l-america-lezione-di-geopolitica-con-federico-e-jacopo-rampini-45393036-7c3d-4de6-8ffd-1e389d5f9xlk_amp.shtml
 * https://lavocedinewyork.com/tag/jacopo-rampini/
 * http://www.iitaly.org/magazine/focus-in-italiano/arte-e-cultura/article/theitalianresilience-riparto-con-uno-spaghetti
 * https://www.lincmagazine.it/2023/04/05/negli-stati-uniti-you-can-do-it-e-in-italia/ 5.171.103.138 (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Jacopo Rampini is a well-known actor in Italy who works also in the US, he has been in major films and tv show and on press articles both in English and Italian. I strongly suggest keeping his Wikipedia page in English in addition to his already existing Italian page. Giuliacorda (talk) 11:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC) — Giuliacorda (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Please read WP:WAX. "An article already exists on another language Wikipedia" is not, in and of itself, a reason why we automatically have to keep an article in English too. For starters, the Italian article was also created by the same editor who created this one, which means it's a conflict of interest violation there too, and it isn't supported by better or more GNG-worthy sourcing either. Bearcat (talk) 12:29, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Bearcat is refusing to look at the evidence provided by a multitude of users and engaging in hostile language that is not appropriate on this page and in this discussion. Bearcat is not taking into consideration all the articles provides to support the creation of an english language Wikipedia page for actor, writer,and producer Jacopo Rampini. As the sole voice that is opposing this, it appears evident that this user is refusing to look at the growing evidence that is being provided to support the creation of an english page for Jacopo Rampini. The lack of objectivity shown by Bearcat is evident and it should suffice to make his claim illegitimate. 5.171.103.138 (talk) 16:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Jacopo Rampini has an Italian Wikipedia page. He has been featured in major newspaper articles and magazines both in the US and in Europe, and had appeared in over 40 films and tv shows in Italy and the US.
 * Jacopo Rampini is one of the only Italian actors who is active in both the US and in Europe.
 * Jacopo Rampini has also coauthored plays that have been produced both in the US and in Italy.
 * Given all this information we believe there should be an English language Wikipedia page for Jacopo Rampini in addition to the existing Italian Wikipedia. 5.171.103.138 (talk) 07:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC) — 5.171.103.138 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Please verify all the reference that were added to Jacopo Rampini’s page which include articles from major publications including Vogue, Vanity Fair and Corriere della Sera (Italy’s largest newspaper).
 * Do not only consider his IMDb page (which has more than 40 entries in film and tv) but also the plays that he coauthored and performed all over the world.
 * Do take a moment to look at Jacopo Rampini’s existing Wikipedia page in Italian which will undoubtedly erase any doubts about the relevance of having a Wikipedia page written in the English language as well. 5.171.103.138 (talk) 07:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Every source in the article has been "verified", and they are all either directories or Q&A interviews in which he's answering questions about himself. As I explained above, a source only supports notability if it represents a journalist or film critic speaking or writing about Jacopo Rampini in the third person, and does not support notability if it represents Jacopo Rampini talking about himself in the first person. Bearcat (talk) 12:29, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Jacopo Rampini is a established actor, producer and writer worthy of a Wikipedia page in the English language. He has an Italian Wikipedia page and a number of articles from major publications such as Vogue, Vanity Fair and Corriere della Sera. His plays have been performed both in the US and in Europe and he has over 40 credits as an actor. This is why I support him having a English language Wikipedia 151.21.153.232 (talk) 15:41, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Jacopo Rampini is a notable Italian actor who had a Wikipedia page in Italian and should have one in English as well as he is an Italian and American actor. He has been in many films in Italy and in the US and he is a noteworthy figure. He has been featured in most italian newspapers and magazines as well as publications in New York and in the US. Please consider validating this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabrizio Brizzi (talk • contribs) 23:38, 17 May 2023 (UTC) — Fabrizio Brizzi (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  02:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG due to lack of secondary, 3rd party sources. --TheInsatiableOne (talk) 09:30, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Here are the 3rd party resources :
 * Wikipedia:
 * https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacopo_Rampini
 * vanity fair:
 * https://www.vanityfair.it/news/approfondimenti/2017/05/15/eta-del-caos-spettacolo-teatrale-rampini-spoleto
 * Vogue Italia:
 * https://www.vogue.it/news/article/great-men-spettacolo-teatrale-pinacoteca-brera
 * Corriere della Sera:
 * https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/23_maggio_14/a-che-cosa-serve-l-america-lezione-di-geopolitica-con-federico-e-jacopo-rampini-45393036-7c3d-4de6-8ffd-1e389d5f9xlk_amp.shtml
 * La Repubblica:
 * https://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/2018/01/28/rampini-padre-e-figlio-nellamerica-profonda-che-ha-voluto-trumpRoma15.html
 * La Voce di New York:
 * https://lavocedinewyork.com/arts/spettacolo/2022/04/04/rinascimento-spaghetti-western-jacopo-rampini-sulle-orme-di-clint-eastwood/
 * IItaly.org:
 * http://www.iitaly.org/magazine/focus-in-italiano/arte-e-cultura/article/theitalianresilience-riparto-con-uno-spaghetti 5.171.103.138 (talk) 17:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a "third-party resource" to ourselves. That's WP:CIRCULAR referencing, which we're not allowed to do at all. Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself in the first person do not support notability; pieces which briefly mention his name without being about him do not support notability; short blurbs that are not substantive do not support notability. And on and so forth: you are not showing the correct kind of sourcing that establishes notability properly. Bearcat (talk) 17:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to Federico Rampini as r from child - there was one additional ok source on the Italian Wikipedia page that wasn't discussed here (, which includes a small amount of plausibly-independent prose description in addition to a video interview, but all told we're nowhere near meeting WP:GNG, the available coverage is either trivial mentions, mentions him solely in the context of his father, or Q&As. signed,Rosguill talk 02:10, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


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