Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacqueline Barasinski


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Luge at the 1968 Winter Olympics. Daniel (talk) 17:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Jacqueline Barasinski

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Per WP:NOLY, the subject of an article is presumed notable if they have won a medal at the olympic games; however, Jacqueline Barasinski only participated in the olympics, but did not win a medal. Per previous standards, anyone who participated in the olympics were considered notable, but this changed after a recent RfC. I can find no coverage of her being particularly notable within luge and I don't see and WP:SNGs for Luge. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 03:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 03:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 03:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete or redirect to Luge at the 1968 Winter Olympics – Women's singles. And THIS is why you don’t go through a database and create tens of thousands of one-sentence bare technical passes of an SNG based on it, that would have to be deleted/redirected as soon as standards became even slightly more strict. Do we even know if the death date here is accurate? Because that could simply be someone with the same name - nothing says they were the Olympian and I’ve seen other cases where the death date in Olympedia was wrong. Also there’s only one real source here as sports-reference.com and Olympedia are essentially the same. EDIT: if kept Move to Jacqueline Bonizzardi per Fram’s new source. A real article would have referred to Mme. Bonizzardi by the actual name she was notable under. I don’t think this justifies the existence of the article in its present form, though, and we need multiple instances of significant coverage to actually keep. FOARP (talk) 09:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Very week keep. Poor article, good nomination, but the death notice gave a new angle to search, and according to this, the deceased not only is the same as the Olympian, but she was also the 1965 world champion. However, even with that information, I couldn't find anything else: but it does increase the chances that there are offline sources about her. Fram (talk) 08:49, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Seems Lugnuts isn't the only one to create 'poor articles' on Olympic athletes... people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. StickyWicket (talk) 10:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Um, this article was created by Lugnuts (which is probably why it's the target for AfD). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:38, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Precisely why, infact one of the users voting here has a dodgy list of olympic athletes under their belt themselves. They've just nominated an article of mine, which I can safely assume is a tit-for-tat bad faith nomination based on my comment here. StickyWicket (talk) 11:52, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * StickyWicket - Here's what happens if you have a good DELREASON to delete bad articles and go ahead and do so: they get deleted. Beyond it being WP:POINTy to do so, I don't care if FRAM has also written bad articles and you nominate them for deletion, because bad articles should be deleted. FOARP (talk) 12:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh dear... Articles for deletion/Charles Dewé? I already tagged that article for multiple problems, including a lack of notability, yesterday, presumably because I knew you would now come here and make a cryptic comment which I didn't even realise you meant to be about me. That will teach me to find a source, and add information here, instead of simply keeping quiet and voting delete. Getting punished (well, an attempt to at least) for not voting delete on an article of an editor you are trying to defend is simply weird. Fram (talk) 12:20, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * (Personal attack removed) StickyWicket (talk) 12:28, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge into an appropriate article e.g. Luge at the 1968 Winter Olympics or France at the 1968 Summer Olympics. Doesn't seem to be coverage to pass WP:GNG- there is one book source listed on fr.wiki, but nothing else useful that I can see. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:38, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:48, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. Seems from https://www.the-sports.org/luge-world-championships-results-1964-1965-women-epf19419.html than she actually came 26th out of 32 in the women's event at the FIL World Luge Championships 1965 in Davos. Top 4 were East Germans. Nigej (talk) 18:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comments Its all a bit strange. The French version fr:Jacqueline Barasinski claims she was 2nd in the world and got a bronze in the winter olympics. Clearly the bronze is nonsense. The reference given is "100 ans au FCL" ie "100 years of the FC Lyon" a sports club (which included winter sports perhaps?). Suspiciously the author of this extra information is Bonizzardi Lionel. Probably all a hoax. Nigej (talk) 20:31, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to the Luge at the 1968 olympics article. We do not have enough to justify an article here. I have seen many articles with less sourcing on olympians, but those were just first glaces, not from indepth review, so I have no idea how they would come out if source searching was done. Anyway, Wikipedia needs to focus on a case by case basis, and this article in this case does not have enough sourcing to justify keeping it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:06, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge: into both the articles cited above, but don't redirect; there's no obvious target per WP:XY.   Ravenswing     07:13, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.