Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacques Legrand (resistance leader)


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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 19:34, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Jacques Legrand (resistance leader)

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The only source we have on Legrand is a database of Holocaust survivors and victims. The Holocaust had something like 11 million victims (Legrand was not as far as I can tell a member of one of the two ethnicities that Hitler was trying to elimanate, so the database is unsing the term for the estimated 11 million or so), and I have no idea excatly how they define "survivor", is that everyone who was detained by Germany from 1933-1945, does it include people who were marked as victims and under Nazi control, but who were successfully hidden and never detained, does it include people who had their property taken or destroyed based on their ethnicity in the 1930s but emigrated before things got bad, does it include people who were removed from their profession based on ethnicity and emigrated immediately after, however it is defined it is seeking to collect the names of a huge swath of people with no consideration for notability or impact, and so is not a source that being in adds towards passing GNG. I was unable to find any other sources. It probably does not matter, but there is no article in the French Wikipedia on this person either. John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and France. Shellwood (talk) 15:04, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Not sure yet, but I'm finding a fair number of hits off the bat with a quick search. He appears to have a connection to Samuel Beckett's resistance activities (ex here and here), as well as Virginia Hall's (examples here and here), and in terms of collaborator-priest Robert Alesch who infiltrated the resistance group that LeGrand ran (ex here). Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I have so far added 8 new references. GPL93 (talk) 20:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep With the addition of the citations added by GPL93 I would consider this leader of a notable resistance movement in the second world war to be notable as per GNG. CT55555 (talk) 21:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Per the much-improved sourcing (with thanks due to GPL93). Atchom (talk) 04:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, based on added sources. Ingratis (talk) 05:00, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'll dissent. The article has been improved, but it's cobbled from few mentions in passing. WP:SIGCOV is not met. What other source, if any, even published a biographical note about him? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:49, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The mentions are not few. I'm going mostly off Google Book previews, but Legrand appears to have mentions on multiple pages on pretty much any book on the activities Virginia Hall and Germaine Tillion, and also any biography of Samuel Beckett that includes his WWII activities. The Musee de la Resistance source, despite the title being the other Réseau Gloria founder, contains an equal amount of biographical information about Legrand. Best, GPL93 (talk) 06:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep beyond the rather curious nomination, there are now enough sources to convince me that there's coverage - and very likely to be additional coverage in offline sources as well. At the very worst this should always have been a merge to Réseau Gloria and I'm struggling to understand why this was brought to AfD when that obvious alternative existed. As it is, doing so has produce a much better article, so I suppose that's some justification for the AfD process. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)


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